Talk:Oxford High School shooting#rfc 97B80FE

"Ethan Crumbley hoped that the shooting would “cause Biden to get impeached” according to an alleged diary entry." {{cite news |title=Ethan Crumbley planned Oxford school shooting ‘to get Biden impeached’ |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-oxford-shooting-biden-b2083062.html |work=The Independent |date=19 May 2022 |language=en}} {{cite news |last1=Colton |first1=Emma |title=Oxford shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley hoped massacre would get Biden impeached, records show |url=https://www.foxnews.com/us/ethan-crumbley-michigan-oxford-school-shooting-biden-impeached |work=Fox News |date=19 May 2022}}{{cite news |last1=Alexander |first1=Harriet |title=Michigan school shooter hoped the attack would spark Biden impeachment |url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10835633/Michigan-school-shooter-hoped-Biden-impeached-parents-fear-conservatism-hurts-trial.html |work=Mail Online |date=20 May 2022}}

Is this something that we should update on the right-side information bar? Im aware that its already in the Wikipedia page

They were convicted but not sentenced. 10-15 years is what the prosecution requested, but their sentence has yet to be determined. 2601:98D:C280:6E60:5DD1:94F3:3593:4F32 (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

:That doesn't seem to be what the sources in the article say, although perhaps those sources hadn't been added prior to this comment. XeCyranium (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Oxford High school is in Oxford, MI which is not a Detroit exurb.In fact there are numerous cities between Detroit and Oxford. Please stop associating everything with Detroit. They are not us. We are not them! They don’t even like us! 172.58.127.140 (talk) 04:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

: The Office of Management and Budget considers all of Oakland County as being in the Detroit area. [https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/OMB-Bulletin-23-01.pdf See this document, page 54/183] and [https://www.michigan.gov/mshda/-/media/Project/Websites/mshda/rental/Property-Managers/Compliance-for-Rental-Housing/Income-Rent-and-Utility-Limits/mshda_crh_il_00_metropolitan_statistical_areas.pdf?rev=dcb30035f87242ca9b0576af961cd734&hash=BB9FD2F2A12DD160C25EDDC4415F54FF see this document too] WhisperToMe (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I understand that Wikipedia is just going by the definition used by the state of Michigan since that is where this happened, but it's very misleading to call this shooting a "terrorist attack". I live in Michigan, and I know we legally consider all mass causality incidents or plots to be "Terrorism" because our legal definition is different. This does not suit the international or dictionary definitions, and Wikipedia includes this incident alongside actual terrorist attacks without being able to explain why the Oxford High School shooting is somehow a terrorist attack.

And to further prove that Wikipedia has a double standard, Wikipedia has labelled the 2022 Buffalo shooting as a terrorist attack. Payton Gendron, the perpetrator of that shooting, was not charged with terrorism although his incident matches the international definition. Objectively speaking, Gendron carried out a terrorist attack while Crumbley did not. You can maybe argue that because Michigan defines terrorism as exactly what Crumbley did, that's why it's terrorism but if that's the case, don't call the Buffalo shooting terrorism, even if it fits all definitions besides the legal definition in New York where it was considered a "hate crime."

It's just factually incorrect to consider this terrorism according to literally every official definition of terrorism besides Michigan and probably a few other states. The Oxford High School shooting is referenced as a terrorist attacks on the Wikipedia page, "List of terrorist incidents in 2021" meanwhile it fails to even explain how it's actually "terrorism." Most of the attacks there were listed because they fit the UN definition, while this shooting was listed because it fit a very broad definition used in that region which contradicts most definitions. This was a 15-year-old kid who shot up his school because he was crazy and grew up in an unloving home. This is not some incident which deserves to be listed alongside terrorist attacks such as 9/11. Was the shootings in Georgia this month terrorism? Four dead, seven wounded with a very similar motive, just like this incident, yet no charges of terrorism.

I think we need to say that Crumbley's attack was labeled terrorism in Michigan, but to refrain from categorizing it alongside incidents that are actually terrorism. MountainJew6150 (talk) 04:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

There have been multiple groups born out of the tragedy, one of which is No Future Without Today. They have hosted annual rallies and marches in support of gun reform and were behind the push to implement a safe storage requirement in Michigan. 23.154.136.167 (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)