Talk:Pendulum (drum and bass band)#Requested move 24 November 2018

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time. Please feel free to initiate move requests of the "Oasis"-related pages as necessary. However, although Oasis (band) is not in compliance with guidelines, I expect that discussion would support retaining the current titles there as well. Dekimasuよ! 19:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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:Pendulum (drum and bass band) → {{no redirect|Pendulum (band)}} – To summarise: If Oasis (band) has its name when Oasis (1980s band) and Oasis (American band) exist, the same should apply to Pendulum.

As luck would have it, the other band named Pendulum, Pendulum (ambient band), is also Australian and also make electronic music. So neither of those can be used as disambiguators. If the disambigiuator was suitable such as one of the above mentioned, I probably would not have started this RM. However, the paranthesis (drum and bass band) is very long, and even members of the band have shown distaste for the band being limited to the drum and bass genre (not in direct mention of this article). Also, the English Wikipedia is for all English speakers, some (if not many) of which may be unaware of what "drum and bass" is.

This is why I looked into the other band named Pendulum, and was surprised at how brief its article is. However, they are definitely notable. They won an ARIA award in 1997, and achieved a chart position for their album in Australia. Although... That appears to be it. That band is not known by many in vast contrast to the drum and bass band, which has all three of their studio albums certified platinum, almost all of their singles have charted, and the band has been the foundation of a solo career and other acts with articles. The band being the first Google search result of "pendulum", let alone "pendulum band" suggests that they are significant, and that their history belittles the achievements of Pendulum (ambient band).

[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-11&end=2018-10&pages=Pendulum_(drum_and_bass_band){{pipe}}Pendulum_(ambient_band) The pageviews analysis] would imply that the ambient band isn't highly searched for, with the drum and bass band averaging at approx 17,000 more views per month on average, against the ambient's few hundred views. This would make them the primary topic here, even if there is no such thing as a primary topic for a disambiguator; but if Oasis (band) has its name when Oasis (1980s band) and Oasis (American band) exist, the same should apply to Pendulum.

Note: this article was located at Pendulum (band) until 2016. Of course, a hatnote would have to be added if the article is moved. I doubt I will get a lot of support for this, but please give this RM a chance. Lazz_R 17:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Per WP:PRECISE the proposed title is a WP:PDAB which currently redirects to Pendulum (disambiguation)#Music, a compromise would be to re-target the redirect here. I agree per WP:IAR/WP:COMMONSENSE PDAB redirects may be acceptable but PDAB titles aren't. WP:PTOPIC specifies only terms can have primary topics. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
• Fair points. As a random question, what would you propose Oasis (band) should be titled, following these rules? Lazz_R 21:57, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
• Yes I would suggest Oasis should completely disambiguated to (presumably with UK or British) but since Talk:Nirvana (band)#Requested move 30 October 2018 was closed as not moved (although Thriller (Michael Jackson album) and Madonna (Madonna album) were kept) we should probably wait for this to finish first. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per standard titling practice. The Oasis misexample is a local consensus opposing the normal rules. Move Oasis to Oasis (English band). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

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