Talk:Pennsylvania

Lead is too long; too detailed; excessive statistics; a Lead should not have 12 citations; material can be incorporated in other sections

Vicedomino (talk) 22:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

{{u|Keystone18}} has, for a series of months, operated in a mode of claimed ownership over this Wikipedia article. As discussions regarding this have been held on their talk page for imagery regarding this article and others—dating as far back as January 2023 between themselves and {{u|Pi.1415926535}}, {{u|Famartin}}, and {{u|Magnolia677}} ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Keystone18&diff=prev&oldid=1156590403 evidence here]), today they have attempted to manipulate and control the narrative regarding their disruptive editing and poor summaries by removing screenshots detailing what they were still refusing to acknowledge of the article being messed up by placing every image to the right ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Keystone18&diff=prev&oldid=1156591817 as evidenced, here]). Refusing to sacrifice my character for the complete disregard of other contributors, I am posting this here to suggest by consensus that imagery is not always placed to the right as argued by them—and enforced by them through reverting everyone, specifically me. I will provide screenshots showing the results of their contributions in contrast with mine; I am also planning to forward this to the administration too, though I do acknowledge by procedure I will be likewise warned/reminded to not engage in edit wars—yet, apologizing, I also respond it seemed as if devil's advocate was the only choice.

File:Blank space with all images to the right.jpg|Contribution by Keystone18, which pushes history and geographic content down, and adds unnecessary blank space.

File:Corrected_formatting_History_PA_article.jpg|Images when placed to the left, which are proper according to their sections and does not push the content down. Image captions match the sub-sections.

File:History_corrected_formatting_2.jpg|Another example of my contributions, when placed to the left.

File:History_corrected_formatting.jpg|Third example of my contributions, when placed to the left which keeps this sub-section of history's images and captions properly placed.

File:History_geography_corrected_formatting.jpg|Fourth of example of my contributions, which doesn't impede on the geography section nor those following.

File:Geography_corrected_formatting.jpg|The final example of my contributions in contrast to Keystone18's narrative on their talk page and in edit summaries, revealing a properly formatted article.

Judge this as you all will. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

:And yes, I undid my revision to their talk page, allowing them to continue to maintain their own narrative. As the saying goes, give someone enough rope. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

::This has continued yet again, so here's how this will be handled: are you User:Keystone18 here to help build an encyclopedia, or impede? TheLionHasSeen (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

:::I see no crowding in that screenshot, and neither has anyone else to my knowledge. Keystone18 (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

::::The only problematic image is the one on the upper left with excessive white space, but none of these are even of the sections in which you moved images. Keystone18 (talk) 21:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

There is a statement in the opening section that Pennsylvania has the most navigable rivers of any U.S. state. There is no cite for the claim, and it is not expanded upon anywhere else in the article. I've commented the statement out rather than deleted it at this point, as I have not contributed to this article before and am unaware of any discussions regarding this claim (though nothing appears in a search of the talk pages). Besides the lack of a cite, it's unclear what constitutes a navigable river. The Susquehanna, for instance, is shallow and rocky over much of its length, and the Genesee, though perhaps navigable downstream in New York, is just headwaters in Pennsylvania. Does anyone have any further info on this claim? Ken Gallager (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)