Talk:Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire#rfc FC8889D

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| title = Did Marcus Aurelius Persecute the Christians?

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Parts of "Neronian persecution" are misrepresenting the actual quoted sources

Brent D. Shaw, The Myth of the Neronian Persecution, is cited when calling the setion in Annals authentic, when in reality he wrote "There is no objective contemporary evidence that would definitely indicate an attack on Christians by Nero, either in connection with the Great Fire or otherwise.". Richard Carrier is cited to lead the reader to believe that he also affirms the authenticity, when actually Carrier says " It is here argued that their arguments can be met with no strong rebuttal, and therefore the key sentence in Tacitus referring to Christ should be considered suspect."

This is extremly suspect and poor standard for wikipedia.Atanar (talk) 18:56, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

:Atanar Where is that? The only reference to him that I see is under Neronian persecution saying: {{tqq|Brent D. Shaw has argued against the historicity of the Tacitean account of the Neronian persecution of Christians}}. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Jenhawk777}} I have corrected the error and eliminated references to Carrier (he is WP:FRINGE). Brent Shaw does not argue against the authenticity of the text, but states that Tacitus is historically unreliable. This argument has not won acceptance among scholars, AFAIK.--Karma1998 (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

::: Karma1998 Well done. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

: The whole Nero section is Christian apologetics, not encyclopedic, and misrepresents current scholarship and its own purported sources. For example 1 Clement says that Peter and Paul suffered because of jealousy, not that they were martyred by Nero. 1 Clement also says Paul went to the farthest west (presumably Spain). The purported martyrdom of Peter is based on the absurd and implausible Acts of Peter. Our "Tacitus" passage is based on one 11th century manuscript, and the "Suetonius" is from 9th century and later, giving ample time for Christian additions of the sort found in Josephus. This should be included in the article, rather than citations of devotional marytrologies. There is no historically valid corroboration of the Tacitus and Suetonius passage.

Taking the pulse

So where are we now with this article. Is it in good shape? Are there unresolved issues? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:In the section Persecution from AD 49 to 250, there are references to Ed RICHARDSON: "Ed Richardson explains..." The book cited lists 2 editors, Karl P. Donfried & Peter Richardson. SedesGobhani (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Did Marcus Aurelius persecute Christianity?

An excellent scholarly article on this question: https://donaldrobertson.name/2017/01/13/did-marcus-aurelius-persecute-the-christians/ 2403:580B:879A:0:F9A7:79E3:4A56:E747 (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

In the Beginning it says sporadically

but then i read further and it seems like sporadic is the wrong word.... Oliverz144 (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)