Talk:Polish–Soviet War

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The final sentence of the ninth paragraph under the Background heading reads ‘It is however unlikely that the Soviet forced plannes further incursions westward.’. I suspect this is a typo and ‘plannes’ should be changed to ‘planned’. Pyunbiwi (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Fixed}}. Yue🌙 19:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

According to GOOGLE AI:France fought alongside Poland in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920 during the Polish-Soviet War. The French military played a key role in the battle.

Explanation

The Polish-Soviet War was fought from 1919–1921 over territory in present-day Ukraine and Belarus.

The Battle of Warsaw took place from August 12–15, 1920.

The French Military Mission to Poland was part of the Franco-Polish Military Alliance, which was signed in 1921.

The French played a vital role in the battle, especially the artillerymen of Colonel Baucilhon.

Major Charles de Gaulle, a French member of the Allied military mission, described the Polish victory as a "miracle on the Vistula". 2804:388:C353:D25B:FF30:87B4:611C:9E10 (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:If your source is AI, the answer will always be "No." Yue🌙 20:45, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

The infobox of the article says that the result of the Polish-Soviet War was a Polish victory while the Aftermath and Legacy section of the article says that, "historians do not universally agree on the question of victory". Should the infobox be changed so that it doesn't conflict with the Aftermath and Legacy section? Lazarbeem (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:General consesus among historians is that Poland won the war Marcelus (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::The thing is, the article doesn't say this. It says "historians do not universally agree on the question of victory" and "Russian and Polish historians tend to assign victory to their respective countries. Outside assessments vary mostly between calling the result a Polish victory or inconclusive. The Poles claimed a successful defence of their state, but the Soviets claimed a repulse of the Polish invasion of Ukraine and Belarus, which they viewed as a part of the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War". This is why I believe that the Result sections of the infobox should say "See Aftermath and Legacy" so that

::1. The Aftermath and Infobox sections don't conflict with each other

::2. The reader of the article can see why different historians give a different reason for the final result of the war Lazarbeem (talk) 19:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I reverted the relatively recent change per MOS:MILRESULT and MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Yue🌙 21:38, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::::A user who goes by the name Fajowy just vandalized the infobox, can you revert his edits? Lazarbeem (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Merangs @Piotrus @Volunteer Marek could any one of you look into this bold edit? I can't because the page is extended-protected. 79.191.70.243 (talk) 20:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:I didn't change the result. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War&action=history] I will return the page to its original state. Dushnilkin (talk) 21:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not a bold edit on the part of Dushnilkin. There's discussions in the archives of this talk page stretching back years and several hundred comments between editors bickering about who really won the war. If you take a look at Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters, the result parameter has two standard entries: "X victory" and "Inconclusive", with another compromise being "See Aftermath". Since people were still upset about "Inconclusive", and are still evidently complaining to this day, "See Aftermath" has been the accepted compromise since at least a year ago. Yue🌙 23:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::I got a suggestion, similar to how the end result of the War of 1812 is highly debated, why don't we create an article titled: "Results of the Polish-Soviet War". This way, like the Results of the War of 1812 article, people can have different perspectives of the results of the war and why historians have different views on the final result of the war. Furthermore, this article could be translated into other languages Lazarbeem (talk) 18:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Not a bad idea. I don't have strong feelings here, although it has been a long time since I've looked into this. That said, is calling this a "Polish victory" that controversial? IIRC after border clashes and the defeat of Polish offensive aiming to secure Ukraine, Soviet Union invaded Poland, got defeated in turn and had to give Poland all the territories Poland desired. That's a pretty clear outcome, considering Poland was not the invading party and did not desire to conquer Soviet Union... (the other clear outcome would be 'defeat' for Ukraine, for all instances and purposes, but that's covered under other articles related to the Ukraine struggles). PS. See also Talk:Kiev_offensive_(1920)#Result? where I just proposed a simplification to "Polish defeat" (from some lenghty and non-standard description). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:41, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Please have strong feelings here, Piotrus. You're a patriot after all, no? 79.191.227.205 (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::The reason is because like the War of 1812, different historians have different views on how the conflict ended. The infobox of this article even says: "historians do not universally agree on the question of victory" and "Russian and Polish historians tend to assign victory to their respective countries. Outside assessments vary mostly between calling the result a Polish victory or inconclusive. The Poles claimed a successful defence of their state, but the Soviets claimed a repulse of the Polish invasion of Ukraine and Belarus, which they viewed as a part of the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War". Hence why I think that an article about the results of the Polish-Soviet War would be a good idea to create. Lazarbeem (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I got a suggestion for you: it's not similar to the war of 1812. 79.191.227.205 (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Please explain what you mean by that Lazarbeem (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::So it's clearly a bold edit. Thanks for confirming my point by trying to refute it :) 79.191.227.205 (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)