Talk:Polo

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Please comment on whether shall we add the two different facts mentioned in Guinness World Records as well as Encyclopedia Britannica or add either only one!

The origin of polo is said to be "Persia (Iran)" by Encyclopedia Britannica but the Guinness World Records says the origin of polo is "Manipur".

The Guinness World Records clarified the record of the origin of polo as Manipur in its 1991 edition, from its former record, Persia mentioned in 1984 edition.{{Cite web|title=Italian seal on Manipur polo origin - Milan-based writer to visit Imphal to collect material for book on game's history|url=https://www.telegraphindia.com/north-east/italian-seal-on-manipur-polo-origin-milan-based-writer-to-visit-imphal-to-collect-material-for-book-on-game-s-history/cid/791135|access-date=2022-09-17|website=www.telegraphindia.com}}

In the 1991 edition of Guinness World Records, it states {{quote|Polo can be traced to origins in Manipur state c. 3100 B.C., when it was played as Sagol Kangjei. Other claims are of it being of Persian origin, having been played as pulu c. 525 B.C.{{Cite book |last=McFarlan |first=Donald |url=https://books.google.co.in/books?id=yPfPrgK21okC&q=1991+manipur+Guinness+Book+of+Records&dq=1991+manipur+Guinness+Book+of+Records&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiK6o2HwJ76AhU06jgGHdi5ClsQ6AF6BAgCEAM#1991%20manipur |title=Guinness Book of World Records 1991 |last2=McWhirter |first2=Norris |publisher=Bantam Books |year=1991 |isbn=978-0-553-28954-1 |pages=288 |language=en |quote=Polo can be traced to origins in Manipur state c. 3100 B.C., when it was played as Sagol Kangjei.}}}}

The same Guinness World Records' fact is re highlighted in various renowned newspapers and magazines like these - {{Cite web |last=sportstract |title=Guinness Book of World Records 1991 says “Polo can be traced to origins in Manipur state c. 3100 B.C., when it was played as Sagol Kangjei” – SportsTract |url=https://sportstract.com/guinness-book-of-world-records-1991-says-polo-can-be-traced-to-origins-in-manipur-state-c-3100-b-c-when-it-was-played-as-sagol-kangjei/ |access-date=2022-09-17 |language=en-US}}{{Cite web |date=2012-11-21 |title=US museum unveils exhibit on Manipur polo history {{!}} Guwahati News |url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/us-museum-unveils-exhibit-on-manipur-polo-history/articleshow/17306801.cms |access-date=2022-09-18 |website=The Times of India |language=en}}{{Cite web |title=MANIPUR: The Birthplace of Modern Polo |url=https://www.magzter.com/stories/Fashion/Urban-Melange/MANIPUR-The-Birthplace-of-Modern-Polo |access-date=2022-09-18 |website=www.magzter.com |publisher=Magzter |language=en}}{{Cite web |title=The Pony Returns - Indian Express |url=http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/the-pony-returns/1040905/ |access-date=2022-09-18 |website=archive.indianexpress.com |publisher=Indian Express}}{{Cite web |last=Pal |first=Sanchari |date=2017-01-30 |title=Manipur's Ponies Are on the Brink of Extinction. And This Sporting Event Could Save Them! |url=https://www.thebetterindia.com/84306/manipur-pony-polo-tournament-sagol-kangjei/ |access-date=2022-09-18 |website=The Better India |language=en-US}}{{Cite web |last=Staff |date=2007-04-27 |title=Pony on verge of extinction in the land of Polo |url=https://www.oneindia.com/2007/04/27/pony-on-verge-of-extinction-in-the-land-of-polo-1177657538.html |access-date=2022-09-18 |website=www.oneindia.com |publisher=Oneindia |language=en}}

At the same time, Encyclopedia Britannica says {{quote|polo was first played in Persia (Iran) at dates given from the 6th century BC to the 1st century AD.{{cite web | url=https://www.britannica.com/sports/polo | title=Polo | sport | Britannica}}}}

I respect both the sources and I want both information to be added in the article citing their sources properly. The problem is one editor challenges the authenticity of Guinness World Records, first saying it's not said by Guinness, and later claiming that even though Guinness mentioned it, the fact is not possible. --Haoreima (talk) 09:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

:*Mention both. If sources conflict we just say they do, as simple as that. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

:* Neither. Neither source is even remotely reliable for ancient history in Asia. I suggest using proper scholarly sources such as [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/714001752 this article], or books from reputable publishers such as [https://books.google.it/books?lr=&id=9i-bgOjaVysC this one] (NB I don't know anything about Horace A. Laffaye, such as whether or not he is a well-regarded authority on the sport). Regardless, our article should probably read something like the beginning of his opening chapter, on [https://books.google.it/books?lr=&id=9i-bgOjaVysC&pg=PA5&hl=en page 5]. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

:* Scholarly sources needed. I don't think the sources do conflict. They all say in varied ways that polo's origins lie with Central Asian equestrian nomads and that it was codified in the Persian empire. It spread, firstly through the Persians; and then went on into more of the world from Manipur −and India more broadly− via the British taking it to their other colonial possessions and beyond.

:The article in EB Online is confusingly written, saying the game is of "Central Asian origin", "first played" in Iran. Guinness saying it's from Manipur is another distortion of the nuance of its history. As a superficial overview, it is sort of correct: Manipur probably had the most recognisable form, closest to the modern game, and it's where "the West" could be said to have adopted it from. Neither of these sources are of high enough qualitity for the purpose, as Justlettersandnumbers mentions above.

:My view is that all three aspects are important in polo's genesis, and all should be included. Better sources (academic or respected specialist literature) are needed than either Guinness or the online EB, though. At least some of the sources already in the article are of better quality and cover polo's origins. 175.39.74.37 (talk) 11:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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The section on positions is extremely similar to the information on http://www.caminorealpolo.com/All-about-Polo-Players-What-is-Polo-UK-Argentina.html, with only a few words changed ImperialSaponification (talk) 16:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi I was reading a separate page - 31st century BC and noticed inconsistency. The first event described is Polo, it says it was first played in 3100 BC in India and links to the polo article.

On the polo article, it says that it originated from Iran, and origins dating to 600 BC, about 2000 years later. It does not mention India in the history from what I saw.

Could someone please correct this? 31.120.88.36 (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2025 (UTC)