Talk:Poop emoji#Continuing from my talk

User:Lankiveil, recently deceased, had a userspace draft on this subject, including the following "cultural impact" sources. If they are not already in the article, see if they are useful for expanding it. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

• http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/24687/1/what-does-the-stinky-poop-emoji-really-mean
• http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-10/the-popularity-of-the-poo-emoji/8102762
• https://www.fastcompany.com/3037803/the-oral-history-of-the-poop-emoji-or-how-google-brought-poop-to-america
• https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/18/patrick-stewart-poo-emoji-movie

> This was corroborated by a statistical analysis undertaken by Google to determine which emoji were the most popular among Japanese users.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Japanese were trolling? I am reminded of "Boaty McBoatface". Paul Murray (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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I suggest that we change the name to "Chocolate Ice Cream Emoji" because it's actually supposed to be a chocolate ice cream. DeseretIsGreat (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

: No, its official name is Pile of Poo. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:508E:9F0E:8766:7AE8 (talk) 08:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

:good idea... Araylevray (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

The coiled pile of poo goes back to Japanese manga, where it was common at least from the 1970s, if not earlier.

I once bantered with a couple of Japanese kids about it, around 1977. I asked them if they did maki-unko (one name for it) when they went to the toilet. The laughed and said "Of course not! You'd have to go like this to do one!" (accompanied by rotation of hips).

The article really needs to refer to the history of the maki-unko, maki-guso, or dokuro before it was made into an emoji.

Bathrobe (talk) 01:08, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Besides a personal attack, please follow WP:BRD and do not undo a revert on your addition, {{u|Afif Brika1}}. That one person uses a poop emoji is trivial, no matter if it's mentioned in reliable sources. Please reinstate my revision and discuss first. And do not use personal attacks. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 16:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:💩

:that's not one person. That's Elon Musk, he represents twitter (one of the largest social media) against major news organization like NPR, Guardian, CBS, Forbes, etc. Major Company gatekeeping information from journalist is not a trivial subject

:If you're asking me, then I will delete this far more unimportant paragraph. But I'm not deleting it because I'm a polite person. In 2016, a termite mound in Western Australia was transformed into a smiling poop emoji by a couple with supplies from Kmart. According to Wired, "the smiling pile of poo is something we can all identify with. Afif Brika1 (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::You haven't reinstated the old version. Would you be so kind to follow WP:BRD? It's how we do things. Considering you're such a polite person after all.

::The two articles you used as references are the same news piece. It's not about the poop emoji per se, it's about the dumpster fire that is Musk's takeover of the company. It's not needed. You're absolutely correct, the ant pile bit should be removed as well. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:::why I should i care about that? The page WP:BRD clearly said that it's optional.

:::You're just being insufferable because other people point out that NPR is major news media, not some celebrity tabloid Afif Brika1 (talk) 17:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::::At no point have I said anything about the quality of the sources. It is simply not needed. Please undo your revert. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::You're talking about Musk takeover as dumpster fire which show your bias, so you perform jihad to remove everything Musk-related

:::::Let me remind you that this is a page about Poop Emoji, everything related to poop emoji as long as it's well-sourced will be part of this page Afif Brika1 (talk) 17:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::::::Odd choice of words. I undid your edit and that's it, but I "perform jihad to remove everything Musk-related" somehow? You're incorrect, there is something as WP:UNDUEWEIGHT, not every mention of a particular subject should be mentioned. I am going to revert your edit, since it seems you are unwilling to do so yourself. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:Say {{u|Ferret}} or {{u|Sergecross73}}, if either one of you is not too busy, could anyone help out here? I am about to go to bed and have a busy week ahead of me, I can't keep arguing with someone who is not willing to listen to reason. See User talk:Afif Brika1 for more frustrating interactions. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 18:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::OMG WHAT A CLUSTER OF A CHAIN ThatRandomGuy147 (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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Continuing from User talk:Rollinginhisgrave#Edits

[https://www.theverge.com/23650699/poop-emoji-law-judges-unicode] does not contain much useful information as it is talking about emojis generally, and takes pains to say the poop emoji is infrequently seen in a legal context. The information that can be taken from it is {{green|Emoji can often have ambiguous meanings, ranging from literal to metaphorical to sarcastic. The poop emoji is a little more on the straightforward side}} Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 00:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:I've added this and made other changes. Below are directions for future improvement:

:*Potential sourcing:

:**[https://books.google.com.pl/books?hl=en&lr=&id=_2ClDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=RA2-PT2&dq=%22emoji%22+%22poop%22&ots=A6sSVaoibR&sig=laO_0A6pRqFJHJ2ofje_bjghazw#v=onepage&q=%22emoji%22%20%22poop%22&f=falseEmoticons, Kaomoji, and Emoji: The Transformation of Communication in the Digital Age] (accessible on The Wikipedia Library)

:**[https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5749/j.ctv29g2hzr The New Real: Media and Mimesis in Japan from Stereographs to Emoji] (accessible on The Wikipedia Library)

:**[https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/201475/ Emojis are everywhere. How emojis conquer new contexts] (free to access)

:*It seems the emoji has fallen in popularity, I would like to see sourcing for this.

::: I don't see more reliable sources talking about the Poop emoji's popularity. The Abc news and CBC are already there, not sure if this source would be valuable [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/04/data-says-canada-loves-the-poop-emoji-america-uses-eggplant-most/390960/]. Added [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poop_emoji&diff=prev&oldid=1290211598]. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:52, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::*Thanks BP! for adding this in! I've rearranged it a little bit, I'll come back in and finish. I'll just note that Giannoulis & Wilde are not the authors, they are the editors. The author is the person who wrote the chapter, which here is Jonathan A Abel, I've clarified this in the text. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:*I would like to see a global perspective on emoji use. I saw in one of the sources listed above that in Japan it is commonly sent to say "good luck" which differs from American use.

:::Untortunately, I don't other sources for that. Added from a source you added above [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poop_emoji&diff=prev&oldid=1290208395]. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::*Great, I've moved this down to the uses section. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:*The descriptions of how the emoji differs by platform are out of date. An update for this would be good.

:::Added [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poop_emoji&diff=prev&oldid=1290206455]. Not sure if that would be enough. This source [https://www.fastcompany.com/3037803/the-oral-history-of-the-poop-emoji-or-how-google-brought-poop-to-america] has also a tadbit explanation, but I'm not sure what the author of that article is saying is valuable. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:00, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::The issue I'm seeing is that when I first looked at the article, it said on Android the emoji is faceless with insects around it. This isn't true anymore, so I added "as of 2014". This still means we don't have a description of what it looks like now on Android or others. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 11:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I already attempted to address your other concerns, but this one might be tough since I cannot find a reliable source that talks about the modern description of the poop emoji. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:04, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Can you find even a primary source and archive it? This is a perfectly fine RS, we can describe the contents under WP:ORMEDIA. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Does this source work [https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/11/emojis-rapid-evolution.html]? It says {{green|smartphone operating system—Apple, Android, etc.—has its own rendering of each emoji, including poo. Android’s pile of poo is surrounded by flies and wavy lines that suggest a poo-like stinkiness. Apple’s pile of poo has wide eyes and is smiling. Twitter’s pile of poo also has eyes but looks kind of surprised, perhaps because it’s only just realized that it’s a sentient pile of poo with eyes. So if your pile of poo is smiling, it’s likely because you have an iPhone, and someone at Apple thought it’d be fun to make the poo happy.}} 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Sorry :/ That's the 2014 piece the article already has, and the issue is it's 11 years out of date. I think [https://emojipedia.org/pile-of-poo#designs Emojipedia's page for the change in designs over time] is a good enough source. If you archive it, we can add it in and say "as of 2024, Google's poop emoji had gained a smiling face." or "Google updated its poop emoji to have a smiling face in 2015" etc. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks! I added it. However, it cannot be archived directly to the emoji design page since the link the same thing as the home page. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:47, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Ah. I'll have a look later for a different one that can be archived, hopefully you can find one before me? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 15:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I don't think it works because it will be the same link. I wonder if we can archive it by taking screenshot and upload it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 15:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::Sorry about this, it seems like my phone is the only problem. I managed to find the archive one since 2024 and finally did it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:*The emoji being used to literally depict feces currently lacks an inline cite and appears only in the lead.

:::Cannot find anything that mention thag at sources so I removed since the Slate magazine [https://slate.com/culture/2020/04/cute-poop-emoji-unicorn-toys-why.html] said that {{green|The poop emoji now seems to occupy a new space, where it’s not actually understood to be poop—gross and embarrassing—but its connection to poop, however tenuous, makes it illicit and interesting and funny. It’s the kind of thing parents and teachers might not let you play with, but then they do. And the semiological complexity of the poop emoji, where it is and it is not the thing that it’s a picture of, is why people like emoji so much: They’re expansive, they don’t mean any one set thing, and you can see in them what you want.}}. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 09:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thankyou, I'll look at working this in. Certainly some interesting material on semiotics. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::You probably deserved to be credited with this GA, due to massive improvement you have made to the article. Many thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::No worries, I've been mainly condensing your research so the GA is all yours. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 14:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks again! If this are all done, can this discussion be moved to the GAN page #3? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::We can move the discussion to the GAN page, but there is still more to be done. For instance, the lead now needs to be updated, and I have to finish bringing in information from the sources we've listed here. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 15:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::This is getting a bit embarrassing, but again thank you. I already know you before as an editor. This article doesn't look like a chocolate, but the color seems like it is. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 15:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::It's no trouble. The comment on chocolate reminds me of [https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781403981387_4 this theory]...

::::::::::Re; moving to the GAN page, if we do this, my comments should not be considered part of the GAN review. I have made too many edits and am now too close to be considered an outside reviewer. Maybe when we finish with the changes we can ping Asilvering, Tintor2 or MediaKyle to have a look over? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 01:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::You can ping them if you would like to, but I think they're already done with this since they already reviewed it before. Many thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:19, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 07:03, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• I've removed the Kin no unko fact for now as I'd like to get your opinion. We previously said {{green|In Japan, a pile of golden poop, known as Kin no unko, is a symbol of good luck. The name is a pun, meaning both "golden poo" and "good luck".[1] This cultural association influenced the development of the poop emoji}} This is despite the fact that the concept of Kin no unko [https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2007/03/20/reference/gold-poop/#.Vk0MyXarSM8 originated in 2000], and we have a picture of the emoji from 1997. I think we can credit some of the popularity in Japan to the pun, but not the development. What do you think? How do you think this should be written? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 08:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• :I also wanted to see if you understood Abel's argument, as I found it difficult to summarize (and also kind of understand). Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 08:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::Hi. Thanks for taking care at the article again. It seems fine to remove I guess, but the previous reviewer said that it is important for it to be removed. Per Abel's argument, I'm gonna ask other people just to make sure. Again, thanks a lot! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 10:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::Other user off wiki responded already and told me its fine, but suggested to reword "notes that" into "states". Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 23:52, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

With the sources you are identifying as maybe good to add, most of them seem to be instances of the emoji being depicted in popular culture, or something being identified as looking like a poop emoji.

With the former, we don't want to list every depiction. I've given some examples in the article which I think are sufficient, but it can be expanded a bit if you think an example is particularly important or an example can be replaced. It's up to editorial discretion to some extent.

With the latter, we can add a sentence saying something like "The poop emoji's coil shaped has been referenced in descriptions of buildings/foods/etc to humorously mock." And then reference to 2/3 items being described like this. The practice of linking sources like this to describe trends is pretty dicey, but this should fall on the right side of synth. It would be a lot better if we could find a single source that explicitly says "the poop emoji is often referenced when describing some buildings". Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 01:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Fair enough. I have been here in Wikipedia for 2 years, but still aren't sure what content are unnecessary to add. Ill remove all the sources are refideas. Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:16, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

::I agree that Wikipedia does a pretty bad job at instructing what content should be added or omitted. There's a few reasons we don't want to list all the ways in which the poop emoji has been represented.

::One is we are trying to be concise. Readers only have so much time, and if we fill the article with this info, some readers will read this instead of the more important stuff. It will also be harder for them to navigate and find the important stuff. Another is that these sources aren't actually about the poop emoji. [https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/08/a-great-city-has-been-defaced-why-has-a-poo-emoji-arrived-on-edinburghs-skyline The Guardian piece] on the W Hotel that resembles the emoji is about the W Hotel. The poop emoji as a subject is not emphasized, and we are trying to reflect the emphasis of reliable sources. Another consideration is that the writer is being silly. When they talk about the emoji, they are not seriously saying this is an important aspect of the building, and likewise they are not saying the resemblance is an important part of the emoji.

::I'm slowly writing an essay on this that may be helpful at some point, but not today. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 01:59, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks for explaining. Honestly, I am not reslly familiar with other articles except video games. I just want this article to be GA so it will be DYK'ed. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 03:46, 14 May 2025 (UTC)