Talk:Proteinoid

Looking at the Fox papers, I see that he and Pappelis do propose that the protocells are alive, and even propose a new domain of life for them. Looking at Fox's paper in Fox SW. "Synthesis of life in the lab? Defining a protoliving system. Quarterly Review of Biology, 1991 Jun, 66(2):181-5.

"The synthesis of a living system in the lab has been judged by a

number of critics as partly attained by the proteinoid microsphere because of

its primitive properties of metabolism, growth, and reproduction. These same

critics, however, judge the organism as not alive, or as being 50 to 75

percent alive (Baltscheffsky and Jurka, 1984), owing to the absence of a

nucleic acid genetic coding mechanism. ... Berra

(1990, p. 75) has commented on other difficulties in defining a protoliving

system. In Berra's opinion, metabolism, reproduction, responsiveness to

stimuli, and cellularity constitute or describe aliveness. These properties

characterize proteinoid microspheres."

So, the question arises whether Baltscheffsky and Jurka and others have manipulated the definition of "life" to exclude the protocells.

The recent "Nature" journal article located at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25530-6 has exciting new information relevant to this Wikipedia topic; I recommend that a reference be made to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.8.246 (talk) 19:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)