Talk:Quehanna Wild Area

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=352425752 Well deserved] Geometry guy 23:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

:I just left a message on his talk page. 5 days on the FAC list. He's awesome! Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks everyone - I was very surprised to see it promoted today, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:03, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I asked Raul654 here if this had a chance at the 2011 April Fool's TFA slot, or if it would be better to nominate it for April Fool's DYK this year. He replied that there is not much chance of it being the TFA next year, but did not rule it out. What does anyone else who watches this page think? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

:It is a great story, and who knew, right? a wild area that was also a nuclear waste site, a tornado zone (in PA), and the location of a correctional facility. No one can make this stuff up! I think it would be a great entry! Auntieruth55 (talk) 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

::OK, so I take this as a vote for DYK this year. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

::: A DYK this year should not prejudice the possibilities for featuring next year. Geometry guy 23:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

::::If that is the case, then go for DYK now, and ask Raul to feature it next year. Or come up with a better feature for next year (just EARLIER). Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::The nom is in at Wikipedia:April_Fool%27s_Main_Page/Did_You_Know#Quehanna_Wild_Area Tweak away, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

{{od}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:April_Fool%27s_Main_Page/Did_You_Know/Archive_2010&diff=prev&oldid=353461892 No luck]. Sigh. Well, we can always try it for the April 1 TFA next year. Or Raul may run it on the Main Page before then - which happened to Gropecunt Lane when it was suggested as a possible April 1 TFA. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

::It's still a good article and well done. :) Auntieruth55 (talk) 02:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:::Thanks for keeping it in perspective - Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

"Tongue in cheek" blurb:

Robot using a grinder

Quehanna Wild Area in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania was established in 1955 as a habitat for the rare nuclear jet engine. Quehanna was also home to endangered radioactive species like Cobalt-60 and Strontium-90, and was the only wild area in the state with its own nuclear reactor, hot cells, and industrial complex. The 48,000-acre (19,000 ha) wild area is Pennsylvania's largest; its great size allows visitors to track migrating tornados. The land was acquired by the state in the early 20th century as a preserve for tree stumps and ashes. Wapiti became locally extinct in the 19th century and were successfully reintroduced by the commonwealth in the 1920s. In the 1940s beaver dams in the area were dynamited in an attempt to prevent stream acidification from acid rain. Toxic and radioactive waste has been buried in the wild area and dumped in its streams. White-tailed deer, black bear, and robots (pictured) have helped remove some of this waste.(Full article...)

"Straight" blurb:

Robot using a grinder

Quehanna Wild Area in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania was established on state forest land in 1955 as a facility to develop nuclear-powered jet engines. Quehanna had a nuclear reactor and hot cells with radioactive Cobalt-60 and Strontium-90, and is still home to an industrial complex. The land was acquired by the state in the early 20th century after it had been clear-cut and burnt. Its beaver dams were dynamited in the 1940s to try to prevent stream acidification from acid rain. A 1985 tornado destroyed thousands of trees in the area, and defoliating insects have damaged and killed many others. Toxic and radioactive waste was buried in the wild area and dumped in its streams. Although white-tailed deer and black bear dug up some waste, since the radioactive industry closed in 2002 the area has since been mostly cleaned up, in part by a robot (pictured). Quehanna is the first and largest of Pennsylvania's wild areas at 48,186 acres (195 km2). Today it has extensive second-growth forest, successfully reintroduced wildlife including elk and fisher, the 75-mile (121 km) Quehanna Trail System, and the largest stand of white birch in the eastern United States.(Full article...)S

Since this was featured, I have swapped in three new (and better) images that were of the same or similar subjects, i.e. a new pic of Beaver Run Wildlife Area in the Fauna section, a new pic of Wykoff Run in the Geology and climate section, and a pic of second growth forest for the second photo of the birch forest in the Flora section. Now there are some other new photos and I thought that it might be good to add one, but wanted to ask other's feedback first. My thought was to replace the elk image in the Recreation section with one of the new images, and we also need to decide which of the two elk images to keep in the article.

File:Cow Elk.jpg| Elk 1

File:What's Up?.jpg| Elk 2

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Here are the Elk photos - which one should stay in the article?

• I am OK with either one, but guess I prefer Elk 2 as it looks more like an elk. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• I prefer image one since it shows a herd and the background show more detail. Dincher (talk) 23:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• In principle I would prefer an image like 1 which has context, rather than 2, which shows an elk. However, the image quality of 1 is rather poor. Hence I recommend 2. Geometry guy 01:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
• Thanks. What about using both? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
• Both looks fine: context and detail. Geometry guy 01:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

File:Quehanna Wild Area Tentacles.jpg ‎| 1

File:Quehanna Wild Area Dissected 1.jpg ‎ | 2

File:Quehanna Wild Area Dissected 2.jpg |3

File:Quehanna Wild Area Diffused.jpg ‎ | 4

File:Quehanna Wild Area Duality.jpg | 5

My preference is 2, 3, or 4, as there are no similar images of valleys. (1 is a tree, but there are several tree images already; 5 is a stream, but there is another stream image). As far as mentions in the article, 2 and 3 are of Paige Run, which is mentioned once; 4 is of Mosquito Creek, which is mentioned 6 times (12, if the Mosquito Creek Sportmen's Association is included), and 5 is of Roaring Run, which is not mentioned at all. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• All things considered, my !vote is for 4. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• My vote goes to image 4. Dincher (talk) 23:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• An image which gives a feeling of scale is much needed. In this respect images 2 and 4 are the best, and I'd be happy to go with 4. Geometry guy 01:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
• I will add 4 next - thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
• OK, Image 4 of Mosquito Creek gorge is in Recreation, and the combined elk images are now in Fauna. Thanks for the feedback, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

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Maybe a key on how to pronounce "Quehanna"? Shocking Blue (talk) 07:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

:Thanks - good suggestion. I added the IPA-en code to the lead (modified/based on the IPA from the Susquehanna River article). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:24, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Please excuse my poor typing and failure to find the appropriate button to click to send you a message, Ruhrfisch. I had corrected the Quehannah Wild Area page to indicate that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, not the United States, purchased the area in question in 1784. The representatives from Pennsylvania bought the land from the Iroquois at Fort Stanwix after the United States signed a treaty with the Iroquois Confederacy for lands outside the boundaries of Pennsylvania. This is clear from reading the text of the U.S. Treaty of Fort Stanwix (1784) on the web page http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Treaty_of_Fort_Stanwix_(1784)_(Transcript)?rec=449 The details of the agreements are presented on the website of the Fort Stanwix National Monument, particularly the 11th paragraph of this webpage https://www.nps.gov/fost/learn/historyculture/treaty-landtransaction-1784.htm You delete my corrections recently. Would you please restore my recent corrections? You have more editing experience than I, and I expect could restore the corrections more quickly, and be less likely to inadvertently damage the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidewald (talk • contribs)

:Thanks for the explanation and the references (I think the nps.gov ref should be in the article). The lead currently reads "The land that became Quehanna Wild Area was home to Native Americans, including the Susquehannock and Iroquois, before it was purchased by the United States in 1784." and the article currently says "In October 1784, the United States acquired a large tract of land, including what is now Quehanna Wild Area, from the Iroquois in the Second Treaty of Fort Stanwix; this acquisition is known as the Last Purchase, as it completed the series of purchases from the resident Native American tribes of lands within the boundaries of Pennsylvania, initiated by William Penn and continued by his heirs.[3]".

:Only sovereign nations can enter into treaties, so the US and the 6 nations of the Iroquois League were the sovereign parties to the 1784 Treaty of Fort Stanwix. Only after the land was acquired by the US in the 1784 treaty did Pennsylvania (a subordinate political unit of the United States) buy the "Last Purchase" land from the Iroquois. The lead is a short summary, so how about changing "purchased" to "acquired" (since the land became part of the US after the 1784 treaty): "The land that became Quehanna Wild Area was home to Native Americans, including the Susquehannock and Iroquois, before it was acquired by the United States in 1784."

:As for the text in the body, while William Penn started the purchases and his heirs continued it, no Penn is in charge by 1784 (at least not as governor or one of the signers of the treaty / purchase) and I do not think that level of detail is needed here. Also "within the boundaries of Pennsylvania" is a bit confusing, since they were fluid even after this (the Erie Triangle still had to be bought from the US by PA). So how about this? "In October 1784, the United States acquired a large tract of land, including what is now Quehanna Wild Area, from the Iroquois in the Second Treaty of Fort Stanwix. Pennsylvania then bought its part of the tract from the Iroquois in what is known as the Last Purchase, as it completed the series of purchases from the resident Native American tribes of lands to establish the boundaries of Pennsylvania.[3]".

:What does anyone else think? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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I am a novice editor so I can't do the edit I am proposing. the link for reference 53 is broken. a new link should be: https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0505/ML050560355.pdf

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:Thanks very much! I will check the reference and update the link as needed. - Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:06, 8 March 2025 (UTC)