Talk:R/place#The Great Pixel War

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Hello. Do you think the resolution of the final images of r/place are sufficient enough for commentary without destroying smaller art pieces in the image, but comply with WP:NFCC and WP:IMAGERES?

• :File:RPlace2017.png, currently set to 400 x 400.
• :File:RPlace2022.png, currently set to 600 x 600.

This can be a difficult situation because most of them contains derivative work of another non-free content. But if we reduce it further, it would destroy smaller art pieces that are probably the subject of commentary. However, the pixel art derivative works shows the dedication and effort done by multiple Reddit communities by over 6 million people (in 2022 version), which is the subject of sourced critical commentary.

Do you think the image should be resized slightly larger, or smaller? An alternative is to reduce larger derivative work pieces, while leaving other unchanged, but this can be difficult, and may be detrimental for readers.

Also for the 2022 version, should we use the version right before the white pixels start? I've originally uploaded with this version, but someone overwrote with different (larger) version, and I downsized it per policy. --Stylez995 (talk) 23:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC) (Edit: fixed mistake. --Stylez995 (talk) 23:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC))

: This is just my opinion, but 2022 should do the one right before white pixels start. Also, the current sizes for 2022's version is all right; big enough to see the most major elements, but not so small that small and very niche images (e.g. the Dart Monkey from Bloons TD 6) are absolutely indecipherable. We could ask other Wikipedians for feedback, but this is my take on the size stuff. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

:I kind of want a more selective approach to compressing the image as portions of the image that would otherwise be indecipherable may be critical to Wikipedia commentary. For example the /r/FuckCars Reddit image on the canvas can be compressed greatly without losing much fidelity but the gacha corner, not so much without turning into a pixelated mess. Same with the osu! logo. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 00:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

::That's a great idea, in theory. However, I am not sure of a simple way to compress specific parts of the image. Conventional way is to just manually resize an entire image, but hard to say for already large portions of an image while not making pixelated messes for much smaller and/or more intricate pixelarts. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 06:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

:::So I did an experiment with full (non-selective compression) in my photo editor. At 1000 pixels, anything that is 1 pixel wide is rendered unreadable (like the /r/osuplace part of the osu! logo or the HoYoverse part of the Genshin and Honkai logos). At 500 pixels this gets even worse. I am not even sure if this can be compressed normally without turning into a major mess. The selective compression may be the best we can do with. In this case the original size of 2000 by 2000 pixels would be preserved but parts of the image would become more pixellated for the purpose of meeting NFCC. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 14:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

::::If we do that, make sure that the image is clearly stated that certain parts have been pixelated even further. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 06:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:::::Sorry for late response, but the {{tlx|RetouchedPicture}} template can be used to notify user about the image has been modified. --Stylez995 (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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Add this to the internet culture section of the 2022 r/place:

"Additionally, very many images of the crewmate from the game Among Us appeared all over the canvas, with a Reddit user using a script to check the entire canvas and counted 3,572 crewmates.{{Cite web |url=https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/twi360/final_among_us_count_of_around_35k/ |title=Final Among Us Count of around 3.5k : place}}{{Cite web |url=https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20220406-11197/ |title=/r/place experiment contains tiny Among Us crewmates hidden throughout the canvas - AUTOMATON WEST}}

{{reflist-talk}} 172.112.210.32 (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template. That seems to be covered with {{tq|References to popular culture, Internet memes and politics were commonly visible}} ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

::If the sources are reliable, they can be added in conjunction too. But not sure if these sources are reliable though. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 08:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I've got a couple sources here : [https://hitechwiki.com/how-to-participate-in-the-pixel-wars-on-reddit/ 1] [https://artplusmarketing.com/the-story-of-r-place-as-told-by-a-foot-soldier-from-r-mexico-part-1-4dd13446d778 2] [https://www.newsweek.com/reddit-place-internet-experiment-579049 3] [https://medium.com/@KiaraHayes/r-place-the-great-pixel-war-be101390b5dd 4]

3 of them refer to the events of r/place as "The Great Pixel War", while the other insists on how r/place was like a war. My proposition, henceforth, would be to put forward the following motion : That the introduction refers to the fact that the events that took place in r/place are also known as the Great Pixel War. We know, though, that there has been two editions of r/place so far, 2017 and 2022, so it would be safe to say that they can also be referred to as "The Great Pixel Wars, purely through natural deduction. So here I offer what I believe are the two possibilities relating to my proposition. I put in bold what would be the possible new addition.

1-r/place, also known as the Great Pixel War, was a collaborative project and social experiment hosted on.....

2-r/place, also known as the Great Pixel Wars, was a collaborative project and social experiment hosted on.....

The specific words are of course subject to change depending on how you feel. Maybe the term "colloquially" is to be considered as a strong replacement.

That's it. Thank you for your time, and merry editing. Witcher of Izalith (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:Wikis are not reliable sources and Medium is effectively a blog site. So that's three down. Will need to check the NewsWeek post, that might be useful. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 18:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

::Hello {{ping|HandThatFeeds}}. I happen to be bilingual, so I was able to gather some more sources coming out of the french language. Here they are : [https://www.leparisien.fr/high-tech/sur-reddit-place-le-drapeau-francais-au-coeur-dune-guerre-des-pixels-04-04-2022-VBMP6A7VJNFZXFXZX22KPVGPMQ.php 1] [https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1874004/guerre-pixels-reddit-forum-fresque-xqc 2] [https://urbania.ca/article/guerre-des-pixels-ce-quil-faut-retenir-de-r-place-2 3] [https://leclaireur.fnac.com/article/84646-r-place-la-guerre-des-pixels-qui-a-dechaine-les-passions-sur-reddit-et-twitch/ 4] [https://www.journaldugeek.com/2022/04/04/r-place-cest-quoi-cette-guerre-des-pixels-qui-met-le-web-a-feu-et-a-sang/ 5] [https://www.journaldugeek.com/2022/04/08/r-place-la-guerre-des-pixels-est-finie-decouvrez-son-timelapse-captivant/ 6] [https://www.lesoleil.com/2022/04/10/ce-que-la-guerre-des-pixels-dit-de-nous-ac2fcdb62199c40f40e96a7920b1fc94 7] [https://www.numerama.com/pop-culture/908941-guerre-des-pixels-sur-reddit-que-se-passe-t-il-avec-les-streameurs-francais-et-r-place.html 8] [https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2022/04/04/sur-le-forum-r-place-de-reddit-la-terrible-guerre-des-pixels-entre-internautes-du-monde-entier_6120525_4408996.html 9] [https://www.iim.fr/pixel-war-france-guerre-pixels-reddit/ 10].

::To make it easy to find, "guerre" = "war". Now, it is unanimous in all these sources that the events that occurred during r/place felt like a war. Most of these sources, the new ones I just presented to you, refer to r/place 2022 as "La guerre des pixels", which means "The Pixel War". What also feels unanimous to me is that no one else describes the aforesaid events other than that of "a war of pixels". I am fairly new as for what concerns quoting social media platforms like twitter and facebook (and do not wish to start a debate on it), but it has also been my impression that a vast majority of social media platofrms (including reddit) referred to what happened in r/place either as "The Great Pixel War", or "The Pixel War", or the "War of Pixels", or simply a war of pixels/a pixel war, just like the sources I've provided so far. Perhaps someone more familiar with the german language could also weigh in on this particular matter, as they were a relatively influential force during both events. Maybe some people could also provide better sources in the english language to further the weight of this endeavour. Last but not least, it is my own little personal opinion that it would be cool to add this feature in the introduction line, for I really feel and believe it was, indeed, the Great War of Pixel, and not only that, but that we should, logically, refer to r/place 2017 and r/place 2022 as "The Great Pixel Wars", with 2017 being the first and 2022 the second. I rest my case here, and wait for the approval of the community (or disapproval) to enact this proposition. Cordially, and merry editing.--Witcher of Izalith (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:::I'm afraid someone else will need to weigh in here, as I do not speak French. We need an experienced French-speaking editor who can look at these sites & determine if they're reliable sources.

:::However, even if they are, it just establishes that the French term for this was The Pixel War / Guerre des pixels. It wouldn't really affect the rest of the article, since that doesn't seem to be a common name for it in English media. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

::::Unresting my case. I can guarantee the vast majority of the french sources are reliable. Also, hitechwiki.com is not a wiki as the name suggests, but another private company that does technology news and who decided to brand itself with the name wiki, so that's another source in english that is reliable (which is source number 1 in my first message). I also found three more sources while waddling aimlessly, here they are : [https://in.ign.com/twitch/171399/news/xqc-reveals-that-he-got-death-threats-for-his-trolling-antics-on-rplace-with-his-community 1] 2-An article on ruetir.com titled "Place nears its end and makes netizens destroy it" which I cannot link here for obscure reasons [https://us.millenium.gg/news/26775.html 3]. The findings are the same as I previously said : it is unanimous in all the sources that r/place felt like a war, and it is vastly agreed upon that, in english, they colloquially refer to it as the Great Pixel War, while the french sources simple call it The Pixel War. Also, I wouldn't dismiss the french sources (or any other sources in any languages) simply because they are foreign, for the event was very international and it is important to get the grasp of the magnitude of this pixel war. I've also seen plenty of times, in english wikipedia as well as in french wikipedia, that sources from a foreign language are not frowned upon, but actually taken into account since they are just as valid. The usefulness of a reliable source doesn't stop at the language it's written in. Now I rest my case. Cordially, --Witcher of Izalith (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

:::::{{tq|The usefulness of a reliable source doesn't stop at the language it's written in.}}

:::::I never suggested it did, so please WP:AGF. My statement was that I cannot personally verify these sources, as I do not speak the language, so was waiting for more input from other French-speaking users. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 22:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

:::::: {{ping|HandThatFeeds}} My sincere apologies, I read that wrong, and wasn't trying to suggest that either. --Witcher of Izalith (talk) 01:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)