Talk:Ramzi bin al-Shibh

Rather than say key al Qaeda member who allegedly helped in planning I'd like to have something less passive, like: XYZ alleged that or According to PQR, he was --Ed Poor

Although Binalshibh undoubtedly planned to join the operation in the US, he should not be lumped into the group of men known as the 20th hijacker who were tasked to fill the remaining muscle hijacker spot on United 93. He was to be the 4th pilot, a task filled by Hani Hanjour as evidence shows. He conspired with the other hijackers in Germany and attempted to get a visa and train at the same flight school in Venice, FL as Jarrah (thus the pilots would train in pairs, Atta and alshehhi at huffman, and Jarrah and Binalshibh in Venice. I do not so stronly object to the term 20th hijacker, but i dont believe that a detailed examination into the attempt to fill out the muscle for flight 93 really belongs here. KarlJohannes 20:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

:I concur. And I also think the term 20th hijacker is deceptive, because there's no evidence anyone wanted to have 20. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but the term is implanted in the conventional wisdom too much to erase, and that argument is presented in the 20th hijacker article, but how else would you categorize khatami for instance who was turned away at customs while atta was waiting to pick him up? anyways all im saying here is that ramzi bin alshibh was never intended to be a muscle hijacker but rather was to be the 4th pilot, im not sure how hani hanjor fits in exactly, whether he was approved of after binalshibh couldnt get his visa or was held as a backup or as a 5th pilot, i guess we will never know such details. KarlJohannes 20:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

:: His dead ...I hope Catarcostica 07:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Has any independent source (e.g. the Red Cross) confirmed that he is still alive?--Oneiros (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:As of 2024 he appears to one of 30 individuals still be held by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay. 76.190.213.189 (talk) 04:07, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

As reported by the AP:

• http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/plotter_interrogation_tapes_found_ozV9gaEh0bhprlCSurWWRI
• http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/wireStory?id=11416126

Requesting mentioning and possible expansion of this matter in the article. --Asthma bronchiale (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Can someone explain why the end of his last name is written in English as if it were an "h" sound, when in Arabic it's an "a" sound? If you read the arabic, his name looks like "Shiba" (ie: Sheeba), but everyone writes it in English as if it were شيبه, "Shibh" as in "resemblance". Is it some bizarre Yemeni pronunciation where the Ta Marbuta turns into an "h" or something?jackbrown (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The article cites Mohammed Atta as a "high value detainee". This is nonsense, since Atta is dead. --Feldkurat Katz (talk) 17:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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This section cuts off awkwardly after "Navy Commander". But it's been like that for at least two years; what did the rest of it say? Where can we find it now? Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 10:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Basic information to add to this article (in order to help make it more properly encyclopedic):

• Instead of simply saying that Ramzi bin al-Shibh was tortured while in U.S. custody, we could add that he was held in solitary confinement over four years in detention at CIA black sites, and that these tortures included his being forced to stand sleepless for as long as three days at a time, naked except for a diaper and doused with cold water in air-conditioned rooms, as well as being subjected to repeated waterboarding, beatings, violent repeated searches of his rectal cavity

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/22/september-11-defendant-declared-unfit-trial-cia-abuse-psychotic

173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn't Mohamedou Ould Slahi be mentioned in this article, if only briefly? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 04:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)