Talk:Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher)#Requested move 17 June 2024

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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:Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → {{no redirect|Ray Brown (baseball)}} – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: {{tq|In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it.}} There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews ([https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-06-15&end=2024-06-15&pages=Ray_Brown_(Negro_leagues_pitcher) Negro league pitcher] & [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-06-15&end=2024-06-15&pages=Ray_Brown_(National_League_pitcher) Natinal League pitcher]) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because {{tq|it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term}}. -- BX (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• I don't know that a move discussion is ever made necessary by the idea that partial disambiguation can exist (in fact I am not really convinced that the RFC linked there showed the consensus that has been attributed to it), and this is highlighted by the fact that it is unlikely that a reader will search for "Ray Brown (baseball)" instead of "Ray Brown" ([https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2022-12&end=2024-05&pages=Ray_Brown_(baseball) 15 pageviews total in the last 18 months]). At any rate the disambiguator would be "(pitcher)", not "(baseball)". Dekimasuよ! 01:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom, (baseball) or (pitcher). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. I don't see a reason why "a move discussion is necessary" here. I don't see a problem with the current title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• :INCDABs usually don't stick unless there is an accompnying RM discussion, from what I derived from WP:INCDAB & WP:PDAB due to the higher threshold & local consensus. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 03:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support, largely since the National League pitcher article arguably is AFD-bait as it doesn't assert notability nor have sources beyond statistics databases. Even if it was cleaned up with some forgotten 1909 article, I suspect the notability is so tiny for a one-game player that INCDAB is fine. SnowFire (talk) 05:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, proposed title violates both WP:NCBASE and WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• :{{ping|162 etc.}}What part of WP:PDAB does this violate? If I'm missing something, I'll withdraw the nom. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per comment by Dekimasu and votes by BarrelProof and 162 etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)