Talk:RealPlayer#Wrong Critisms

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As mentioned on user:Drmies' Talk page the article is need of some trimming. I suggest we trim the "Supported media formats" section and the "Formats supported by optional plug-ins" as an indiscriminate collection of information. I have also not found any sources for the bold claims made in the "Access restrictions" section. For the "Real Alternative section, the BLP information at the very end looks citable [http://www.nu.nl/tech/3648341/sitebouwer-uploadde-toch-real-networks-software.html to citation 67]. The statement "Meanwhile, Download.com[62] and FileHippo[63] continue to host the software product, unchallenged.[64]" does not appear to be sourced, except to FileHippo and Download.com and could be trimmed. CorporateM (Talk) 23:23, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

: Removed FileHippo ref as somewhat promotional. Left Download.com link; they're notable enough not to be linkspam. John Nagle (talk) 04:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

:: Removed "Access restrictions" section. That's just the list of countries (Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) to which the US prohibits all exports. It has nothing specifically to do with this particular product. John Nagle (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

:::I've rewritten the Real Alternative section. Inter\^Echo 08:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much!! Quick note: I would add "allegedly" to Inter's re-write of the Real Alternative section. One other item is this unsourced statement: "but in the 21st century, Adobe Flash has become the preferred option for this purpose (demonstrated by the comparable success of the BBC iPlayer)." I did a few quick searches but didn't come up with any sources for this (does anyone know if this is true?). I would do a few things differently regarding weak or primary sources, but then most of the article is poorly-sourced and I don't see anything else that seems just really bogus. Thanks again for your time! CorporateM (Talk) 14:03, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

:The BBC iPlayer does use Adobe Flash. It is a widely used technology for web players to stream content. Oz\^Echo 14:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

::I meant, is it the "preferred option" over Realplayer as alleged in the article. CorporateM (Talk) 14:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• Removal of FileHippo creates a very big problem. You see, providing only one example defeats the purpose of the discussion by making "Download.com" the exception, not the Dutch guy. This is no longer WP:NPOV. In fact, we need at least three examples. I suggest adding PC World and Chip.de as well. In addition, FileHippo has a very good reputation. If it was something like Softonic, I'd have agreed.

:Removing "Access restrictions" section is unjustified. User:Nagle's sentence is just a paraphrasing of the section, not a reason for removal. AFAIK, not only an article is perfectly allowed to mention the export restrictions by the home country of its subject, it is in fact mandated by WP:FACR which says an article must extensively cover all aspects of a subject and be self-contained.

:Cheers. Fleet Command (talk) 10:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

::The "Access restrictions" section is uncited. No objection to covering it if there's a citation. As for downloads, no objection to listing some major site. I was jsut concerned about it being a promotional link for FileHippo. John Nagle (talk) 17:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

:::Now that's what I call a good reason for removal. Yes, content without source can be removed. I'll see if I can get a source for it. If I didn't find any, yes, you can delete it. I admit that I didn't realize it didn't have a source. Sorry. Cheers. Fleet Command (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

::Both links are primary sources and the Techdirt source at the end does not actually say anything about either. I'm a little surprised an experienced editor would advocate so strongly about restoring unsourced content about a bold claim. CorporateM (Talk) 17:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

:::It seems you believe Primary sources are either evil or forbidden in Wikipedia; this is not the case. TechDirt says "It's not hard to find all sorts of sites, including big names like CNET, that still distribute Real Alternative". We are strengthening this claim by adding sources that show that it is indeed the case. Cheers. (Or should I start writing "Best regards" too?) Fleet Command (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

::::Oops, you're right - I didn't see that in the Techdirt source and supplementing a secondary source is a good use of a primary one. Yes, I do think primary sources often have a tint of evil to them ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 20:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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