Talk:Relapsing polychondritis

The following were loose references in the "References" section:

• {{cite journal |author=Patel K |title=Relapsing polychondritis--delayed diagnosis and fatal outcome |journal=Indian J Dermatol Venereol Leprol |volume=76 |issue=1 |pages=67–9 |year=2010 |pmid=20061740 |doi=10.4103/0378-6323.58688 |url=http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=2010;volume=76;issue=1;spage=67;epage=69;aulast=Patel}}
• "Polychondritis" Medscape. Web. 13 August 2014.
• http://www.uptodate.com/contents/clinical-manifestations-of-relapsing-polychondritis

Moved here for reference. JFW | T@lk 23:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Currently much of the content hinges very much on a single source. Searching PubMed with "Relapsing polychondritis"[MAJR] and narrowing to "review" gives a couple of further useful sources:

• {{PMID|24051104}} (Autoimmun Rev) - more on the pathogenesis and likely epitopes of autoimmune process
• {{PMID|23887438}} (Clin Rheumatol)
• {{PMID|22771427}} (Autoimm Rev) - development of a disease activity score
• {{PMID|22071463}} (Semin Arthritis Rheum) - role of biologics

Incorporation of these sources is likely to enhance the article further. JFW | T@lk 23:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah thanks :-) I started updating this page a couple of weeks ago. I really want more refs in it, so this is usefull thanks!

The symptoms bottom section (with the *) I will change, I think it can really be better.

Btw, I agree on the 'brain frog' I didn't really like it, don't know who added it.

Once I am done with the text I will add some pictures. I have a few from actual RP patients.

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 12:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I want to request a histological pictures of cartilage biopsy.{{Image requested|date=December 2014|medical subjects}}

Thanks

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

:We could ask [http://images.rheumatology.org/viewphoto.php?imageId=2861658&albumId=75675 here] and [https://wiki.uiowa.edu/display/protocols/Case+Example++Subglottic+Stenosis+and+Relapsing+Polychondritis here] if they would be willing to donate these images under a CC BY SA license. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

::They here may be willing aswell [http://www.jrheum.org/content/40/1/100.full] [http://www.mrcophth.com/pd/polya.html] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I moved the current eye section to talk and I am adding a whole new subtopic to it.

I have trouble with the 65%, because a lot of review articles say 60%. So that is why I moved it here.

• Eyes: About 20% of people have eye involvement at diagnosis and eventually about 65% will develop episcleritis or scleritis, inflammation of the sclera of the eye.

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

In order for not to get the information lost, I copy and paste this directly from the MED Talk page:

Hey guys, I want to add a section about the history of Relapsing polychondritis but I can not open the oldest articles about this on Pubmed. Can anyone have a look and send them to me by wikipedia or e-mail me at

The articles I am looking for:

• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14431246
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13981402
• And the oldest one from 1923: Jaksch-Wartenhorst R. Polychondropathia. Wien Arch F Inn Med. 1923;6:93-100

If you have any other idea about this, that would be welcome also

Thank you very much!

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 19:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

::We should try to use recent reviews that discuss the history of the condition rather than try to interpret really old articles ourselves. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree on that actually, unforturnally I have searched hours and hours for it and only found secondary news articles about it. like this one: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/331475-overview

Or a little older from the 60's like this one:

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1177828

So I thought that the best thing I could do is look at those articles and see if the secondary articles are right.

I don't know, what do you think I should do? EllenvanderVeen (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I tried too,(do what Doc James says get recent reviews)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Some brief historical notes [http://books.google.com/books?id=A_vtzMxtd9AC&pg=PA47 here] (and [http://books.google.com/books?id=A78BaiEKnzIC&pg=PT3667 here]^{[no Google preview]}). Another fairly recent reliable source is {{PMID|12077711}} – it should contain historical information based on a review of the literature, but unfortunately it's paywalled. 86.181.67.166 (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

:::Textbooks via google books are often useful for this. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

::::Here we are [https://books.google.ca/books?id=A_vtzMxtd9AC&pg=PA47][https://books.google.ca/books?id=3zM9yCy8uqUC&pg=PA451][https://books.google.ca/books?id=dZ1aJf4DViYC&pg=PA335] and there are more. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

:::: Oh thanks guys, yes I will have a look at these links. I will also look in the Uni library next to my house, didn't even think of that, sure there are some books about it. Thx for the good criticism, I appreciate it! EllenvanderVeen (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::"History" sections I find some of the hardest to write. Most reviews do not touch on them at all. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

::::::Sometimes there are snippets of history mentioned in reviews. I usually provide citations for the original descriptions, in a subtle way of honouring the folks who stood at the cradle of modern medicine. JFW | T@lk 00:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::::Yeah it is a bit of a challenge isn't it? But I am determined to make a good start on it.EllenvanderVeen (talk) 10:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok well I just updated the history part of it. I have a lot more information about it, but I don't think it should be too much. Hope you guys like it.

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Other things to add in history if someone has time to look at it (and to make sure I don't forget):

• First time when Biological agents where used in treatment for this disease.
• First time when Stem cell transplantation is used in this disease. And first time this was succesfull?
• Some original references on here: http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1695.html

Any more ideas, please add :-)

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 10:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Would love to have picture 3 in this article on the page. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Relapsing+polychondritis%3A+prevalence+of+expiratory+CT+airway+abnormalities.

But I think I need to ask for permission here? http://www2.rsna.org/rsnarights/

I have to ask if it falls under these conditions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Meeting_the_previous_publication_criterion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_use_rationale_guideline

EllenvanderVeen (talk) 19:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Cauliflower ear by dr vikram yadav.jpg

Not sure why this was removed? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)