Talk:Robert Burns

No mention as Robbie Burns. [2004.12.31 JPiper]

:Yes, that's true. No mention as "rantin' rovin' Robin", "Rab the Rhymer" or "Rabbie Burns" either. There are lots of things that you could call him. If you thought that a mention as "Robbie Burns" was needed why didn't you add one ? -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:08, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)

Given his numerous dalliances, it may be helpful to add a section detailing his legitimate and illegitimate children's names, dates of birth/death, and by which partner. It seems he had three daughters named Elizabeth, but I believe only one was mentioned in the text of the article, and another's See Also link redirects to Robert Burns's page. 74.136.109.247 (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Using language like "bore him nine children" is sexist language making the woman a vessel of "giving" a man children and that the children "belong" to him. Less sexist language would be "she had nine children with him". Please change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F470:A:8:ECE3:3AD:2715:46CF (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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On the main Robert Burns page under Dumfrieshire and also the Ellisland page, the marriage date between Robbie and Jean contradicts others elsewhere which is given as 5th August. I've always believed that they got officially married in August after Jean gave birth to twins in March.

"On his return from Edinburgh in February 1788, he resumed his relationship with Jean Armour and they married in March 1788". Easymalc (talk) 07:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Pinchme123 (talk) 15:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

::Wikipedia Page - Robert Burns > Ellisland Farm

::On his return from Edinburgh in February 1788, he resumed his relationship with Jean Armour and they married in March 1788. I believe it should read -

::On his return from Edinburgh in February 1788, he resumed his relationship with Jean Armour and they married on 5th August 1788

::See Wikipedia Page - Jean Armour .Biography

::Although their marriage was registered on 5 August 1788 in Mauchline, the parish records describe them as having been "irregularly married some years ago". Easymalc (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

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I wish to add that there is an additional Robert Burns statue in Quincy, Massachusetts, USA that was not listed in the article.

Here is a link to an online newspaper clipping from 1925 when the statue was dedicated;

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe-robert-burns-statue-unv/139431512/?locale=en-US

Here is a link to a more recent article:

https://irishboston.blogspot.com/2024/01/city-of-quincy-unveils-robert-burns.html Flaxin (talk) 04:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

: This article does not have a complete list of Robert Burns statues. The complete list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Robert_Burns_memorials Rainsage (talk) 08:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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In the section 'Influence', add a sub-section called 'Political Legacy' and reflecting recent scholarly works by scholars Christopher Whatley (Immortal Memory: Robert Burns and the Scottish People, Birlinn, 2016) and Paul Malgrati (Robert Burns and Scottish Cultural Politics. The Bard of Contention. 1914-2014, Edinburgh University Press, 2023).

Here's the suggested contents:

POLITICAL LEGACY IN BRITAIN AND SCOTLAND

Robert Burns's political legacy in Britain has evolved significantly from its Victorian interpretation to contemporary perspectives. Throughout the nineteenth century, Burns was portrayed largely through a 'unionist-nationalist' lens, where his works were celebrated within the context of the British Union and Empire. During the first part of the nineteenth century, Scottish elite commemorated Burns in ways that emphasized conservative, patriotic, and imperial themes, aligning him with figures like Walter Scott and embedding him firmly within a British narrative Immortal Memory: Robert Burns and the Scottish People, Birlinn, 2016, pp.29-38. This tradition endured throughout Victorian times, although a more liberal narrative, depicting Burns as a meritocratic 'lad o' pairts' shaped the middle-class development of Burns Clubs and the Burns movement Christopher Whatley, Immortal Memory: Robert Burns and the Scottish People, Birlinn, 2016, pp103, 124, 133.

However, this traditional view has undergone substantial reassessment in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Scholar Paul Malgrati highlights a notable shift towards a social-democratic themes during the 1940s, as Labour used Burns's egalitarian legacy to justify the construction of the postwar Welfare State Paul Malgrati, Robert Burns and Scottish Cultural Politics. The Bard of Contention. 1914-2014, Edinburgh University Press, 2023, pp.107-131. According to Malgrati, towards the end of the twentieth-century, the influence of Thatcherism, breaking the social-democratic postwar consensus in across Britain, was partly responsible for increasingly nationalist and pro-independence uses of Burns, as performed by Alex Salmond and the Yes Campaign during the 2014 Scottish independence referendum. Paul Malgrati, Robert Burns and Scottish Cultural Politics. The Bard of Contention. 1914-2014, Edinburgh University Press, 2023, pp.205-239). Wormshill30 (talk) 16:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

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