Talk:Rodan + Fields

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Hi everyone! My name is Lauren and I am an employee at Rodan + Fields. I am interested in helping the Wikipedia community make updates to the existing Rodan + Fields article. I am aware of the conflict of interest guidelines and will do my best to follow them. Beginning with the infobox, there a few updates that can be made right away. Financial information is missing from the infobox, as well as references to support critical information, such as key people.

Since I will not be editing the page directly I have left the markup for the infobox with financial updates and additional sourcing, with hopes that someone can make these edits for me. LH at R+F (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

{{Infobox company

| name = Rodan + Fields, LLC

| image = Rodan+Fields.svg

| type = Private

| industry = Cosmetics and personal care products

| founded = {{Start date and age|2007}}

| founder = {{Unbulleted list|Katie Rodan|Kathy Fields}}

| hq_location_city = San Francisco, California

| hq_location_country = U.S.

| area_served = United States, Canada, Australia

| key_people = {{Unbulleted list|Diane Dietz (President and CEO){{cite news |title=The career advice you shouldn't listen to, according to successful female CEOs |last1=Chatzky |first1=Jean |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/career-advice-you-shouldn-t-listen-according-successful-female-ceos-ncna899631 |work=NBC News |date=14 August 2018 |accessdate=February 4, 2019}} |Amnon Rodan (Chairman){{cite web|url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/billion-dollar-brand-proactiv-rodan-fields/|work=Forbes|title=How Two Dermatologists Built A Billion Dollar Brand In Their Spare Time|date=1 June 2016|accessdate=13 September 2017|first=Kate|last=Vincton}}}}

| products = {{Unbulleted list|Cleansers|Moisturizers|Sunscreens|Exfoliants}}

| website = {{URL|https://www.rodanandfields.com/}}

|revenue = {{US$|1.5 billion|link=yes}} {{small|(2018)}} {{cite news |title=The Proactiv Dermatologists Break the Billion-Dollar Barrier—Again |last1=Cohen |first1=Arianne |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-21/the-proactiv-dermatologists-break-the-billion-dollar-barrier-again |work= |date=21 May 2018 |accessdate=February 4, 2019}}

}}

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:Unless I'm missing something, the only new information in the proposed infobox is the $1.5 billion revenue claim, but that's problematic because the one source, which mentioned it only in passing, didn't specify an exact amount (nor did it clarify whether it was annual revenue or revenue since inception). It's also problematic because the company is privately held and hasn't, at least to my knowledge, published a statement about revenue; also, any such statement would probably be unaudited and impossible to verify. Rhode Island Red (talk) 16:26, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

::I agree with User:Rhode Island Red and vehemently oppose this suggested edit until other reputable sources back up R&F's claims. PureRED | talk to me | 02:26, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Companies&type=revision&diff=885706597&oldid=885617089 this] request on the WikiProject Companies page, I can say there is really no way to verify the income of a private company unless they want to open up their tax records. That is the difference between public and private companies. I am not sure why a company would want to add income in the first place unless it was a milestone. Just my thoughts but I don't see anything in the request above that would support the addition. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

::::Thank you for your feedback. I understand why we cannot include the income. I included this particular suggestion because I thought it was what editors preferred in order to fill out the infobox, but I'm fine moving forward without including it. Are we able to include the sources I provided to support the existing Key people in the infobox? LH at R+F (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, my name is Jay and I am a Rodan + Fields employee. I would like to help correct some outdated information in the article regarding the company business model and industry as of September 1, 2024. I have reviewed the Wikipedia COI guidelines and will follow them closely.

I am proposing updates to the industry line in the infobox/short description and initial mention in article body, based on the provided sources. I will not be editing the page directly, in keeping with COI guidelines, so I am including markup for the update along with independent sourcing for an editor to make the update.

{{short description|American skincare and haircare company}}

{{Infobox company

| name = Rodan + Fields, LLC

| image = Rodan+Fields.svg

| type = Private

| industry = Cosmetics and personal care products

| founded = {{Start date and age|2007}}

| founder = {{Unbulleted list|Katie Rodan|Kathy Fields}}

| hq_location_city = San Ramon, California

| hq_location_country = U.S.

| area_served = United States, Canada, Australia

| key_people = {{Unbulleted list|Dimitri Haloulos (President and CEO)|Amnon Rodan (Chairman)}}

| products = {{Unbulleted list|Cosmetics and personal care products}}

| website = {{URL|https://www.rodanandfields.com/}}

}}

Current text:

Rodan & Fields, LLC, known as Rodan + Fields or R+F, is an American multi-level marketing company specializing in skincare products. Katie Rodan and Kathy A. Fields, creators of Proactiv, started the Rodan + Fields brand in 2002 and sold it a year later. They relaunched the brand in 2007 as a multi-level marketing firm.

Proposed text:

Rodan & Fields, LLC, known as Rodan + Fields or R+F, is an American skincare and haircare company founded by Katie Rodan and Kathy A. Fields, creators of Proactiv, who started the Rodan + Fields brand in 2002 and sold it a year later. They relaunched the brand in 2007 as a multi-level marketing firm.

References:

This WSJ article reports on Rodan + Fields’ new business model shift:

{{cite news |last1=Graham |first1=Megan |date=24 October 2024 |title=Companies Like Tupperware Made Multilevel Marketing Famous. Now Some Newer MLMs Are Ditching It. |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-some-multilevel-marketers-are-ditching-the-mlm-model-d3ae551a |access-date=December 17, 2024 |work=The Wall Street Journal}}

This source confirms the timeline and details of the move away from MLM:

{{cite news |date=17 July 2024 |title=Rodan + Fields To Shift Away from Multi-Level Direct Selling Model |url=https://www.happi.com/breaking-news/rodan-fields-new-business-model-paves-new-path-to-growth |access-date=December 17, 2024 |work=Happi}}

Wiki-mngr (talk) 01:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)