Talk:San Francisco Renaissance#The Beats

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I really question the inclusion of this passage:

Some of the songwriters of the upcoming rock-music generation read and appreciated writers like Kerouac, Snyder, McClure, and Ginsberg (e.g., Bob Dylan, for one, has talked about this). Hence, given that much of the late-'60s wave of groundbreaking rock music developed within rock's famous "San Francisco Sound," it seems very likely that the writers of the San Francisco Renaissance had an influence on the lyrics, both artistically and in terms of attitudes to living. Both Lawrence Ferlinghetti and Michael McClure were featured on-stage in the rock-star jammed The Last Waltz, a documentary and concert film made by Martin Scorsese about The Band (who had an immense following in the late '60s to mid '70s) and a large number of their musical friends.

What validity do phrases like "it seems very likely that the writers of the San Francisco Renaissance had an influence on the lyrics, both artistically and in terms of attitudes to living.". Can this claim be referenced? Filiocht | Blarneyman 10:34, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Two references for The Beats

http://www.lib.virginia.edu/speccol/exhibits/sixties/beatssf.html
http://www.citylights.com

These are references for The Beat section. When "Captured April 25, 2005" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Francisco_Renaissance&diff=13102095&oldid=12784476] was added, the article had this section that included information likely sourced from these two references. The corresponding version of citylights.com has a history page which has been archived [http://web.archive.org/web/20050403155742/http://www.citylights.com/CLHst.html here]. I'm unable to access a corresponding archive of the virginia.edu ref. --Ronz (talk) 17:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The Beats

I've restored the section, updating the citylights.com reference.

I'm unclear on the edit-warring over the section. Can someone please explain? I'm not seeing anyone refer to secondary sources. A history would be ideal to settle such a dispute. --Ronz (talk) 17:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Herman Berlandt

If the information on Berlandt is related, it's not supported by the references. It was added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Francisco_Renaissance&diff=142976432&oldid=122795661 here]. The archived reference is to a poem [http://web.archive.org/web/20050503113040/http://www.nationalpoetry.org/poetryusa/know.html here]. The website for his proposed museum is [http://web.archive.org/web/20090106160318/http://internationalpoetrymuseum.org/ here].