Talk:Science of Identity Foundation

Previously removed:

{{cite web|title=Rick Reed's Inner Self|last=Farrar|first=Derek|date=August 12, 1992|accessdate=November 26, 2019|newspaper=Honolulu Weekly|url=https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/ca3b2358-12f0-4e15-9802-b7e438ec2ab8/content|page=1}}

There are a number of local references that have been removed over the years. --Hipal (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Honolulu Civil Beat has published a number of relevant articles, recently https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/11/gabbards-past-could-complicate-us-senate-confirmation/ . It appears reliable per (RSN discussion). --Hipal (talk) 02:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• {{Cite web|first=Robin |last=Young |date=September 25, 2019|url=https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/09/25/tulsi-gabbard-2020-democrat-candidate|title=2020 Hopeful Tulsi Gabbard: The U.S. Needs To 'Stop Acting As The World's Police'|website=www.wbur.org}}
• {{Cite web|first=Rui |last=Kaneya |url=https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/03/krishna-cult-rumors-still-dog-tulsi-gabbard/|title=Krishna Cult Rumors Still Dog Tulsi Gabbard|date=March 16, 2015|website=Honolulu Civil Beat}}
• {{Cite web|url=https://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=33120D2|title=Science of Identity Foundation business information on the website of Hawaii State Department of Commerce & Consumer Affairs|website=Hawaii State Department of Commerce & Consumer Affairs, Business Registration Division|access-date=2019-10-22}}
• {{cite web|title=One man rules Haiku Krishnaites|last=Wolf|first=Alice|date=July 28, 1970|accessdate=November 1, 2019|newspaper=The Honolulu Advertiser|url=https://staradvertiser.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=14354666|page=A-1}}
• {{cite newspaper|title=Krishna Group to Get Hearing on Feb. 25|last=|first=|date=February 2, 1971|accessdate=|newspaper=The Honolulu Star-Bulletin|url=|page=A-6}}
• {{cite newspaper|title=Siddha decries recent tales of Krishnas' 'lawbreaking'|last=Scott|first=Nadine|date=December 17, 1977|accessdate=|newspaper=The Honolulu Star-Bulletin|url=|page=A-4}}
• {{cite newspaper|title=Beamer says Nishiki failed to 'play by the rules'|last=Wright|first=Walter|date=April 26, 1980|accessdate=|newspaper=The Honolulu Advertiser|url=|page=A-3}}
• {{cite web|title=Science of Identity one of founders|last=|first=|date=July 1, 1991|accessdate=November 1, 2019|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Advertiser|url=https://staradvertiser.newspapers.com/image/264080982/?terms=%22science%2Bof%2Bidentity%2Bfoundation%22|page=A-4}}
• {{cite web|title=The secret spiritual base of a new political force|last=Wright|first=Walter|date=August 29, 1977|accessdate=November 1, 2019|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Advertiser|url=https://staradvertiser.newspapers.com/image/272252666/?terms=%22chris%2Bbutler%22|page=A-1}}
• {{cite web|title=Hawaii's 'other' Krishnas|last=Wright|first=Walter|date=August 22, 1977|accessdate=November 1, 2019|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Advertiser|url=https://staradvertiser.newspapers.com/image/262950599/?terms=%22chris%2Bbutler%22|page=A-1}}
• {{Cite web|url=http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu-Magazine/August-2004/Who-is-Mike-Gabbard/|title=Who is Mike Gabbard?|last=Bolante|first=Ronna|date=August 1, 2004|magazine=Honolulu Magazine|access-date=November 1, 2019}}
• {{cite newspaper|title=Chris Butler: About this guru business|last=Christensen|first=John|date=November 23, 1982|accessdate=|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Bulletin|url=|page=B-1}}
• {{cite newspaper|title=Arts Scene|last=Ronck|first=Ronn|date=December 9, 1983|accessdate=|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Advertiser|url=https://www.newspapers.com/image/266718284/?terms=Ronck&match=1}}
• [http://66.223.50.234/asrec/archive/papers/Melton_Hindu_Demographics.pdf Reflections on Hindu Demographics in America: An Initial Report on the First American Hindu Census]. J. Gordon Melton & Constance A. Jones. A paper presented at the Association for the Study of Religion, Economics & Culture meeting in Washington, D.C., April 7–10, 2011. p. 14.
• {{cite book |author=Swami B. A. Paramadvaiti |title=Our Family — the Gaudiya Math. A study of the expansion of Gaudiya Vaisnavism and the many branches developing around the Gaudiya Math |url=https://vrindavan.org/English/Books/GM/GMI.html |year=1999 |publisher=VRINDA The Vrindavan Institute for Vaisnava Culture and Studies |isbn=3-927745-90-1 |page=58 }}

--Hipal (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

The AfD lists some as well:

• {{Cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html|title=What, Exactly, Is Tulsi Gabbard Up To?|last=Lerer|first=Lisa|date=2019-10-12|work=The New York Times|access-date=2019-11-04|language=en-US|issn=0362-4331}}
• {{Cite web|url=http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu-Magazine/November-2017/Did-Tulsi-Gabbards-National-Ambitions-Just-Suffer-a-Political-Hit/|title=Did Tulsi Gabbard’s National Ambitions Just Suffer a Political Hit?|website=www.honolulumagazine.com|language=en|access-date=2019-11-04}}
• https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/68483000/disciples-deities-and-development
• https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-krishna-cult-rumors_n_6879588

--Hipal (talk) 18:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/01/is-tulsi-gabbard-a-mystery/681398/ --Hipal (talk) 03:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/27/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-trump-national-intelligence.html
• https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/senators-urged-to-examine-gabbards-deep-and-intense-ties-to-hawaii-sect/ --Hipal (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/tulsi-gabbard-science-of-identity-qi-group-ed51c890
• https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-senate-hearing-sect-b2688454.html --Hipal (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
• https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-attacking-tulsi-gabbard-wrong-reasons/
• https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-mystery-of-tulsi-gabbard --Hipal (talk) 19:05, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

• https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2019/whose-side-is-tulsi-gabbard-on/ --Hipal (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/01/tulsi-gabbard-met-with-bipartisan-skepticism-in-confirmation-hearing/ --Hipal (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any further news coverage from major publishers. I've not attempted to look for local coverage. --Hipal (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

• ...two years at a girls' school in the Philippines.{{cite news |date=November 14, 2024 |title=5 things to know about Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's choice for director of national intelligence | url=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/5-things-to-know-about-tulsi-gabbard-trumps-choice-for-director-of-national-intelligence |language=English |publisher=PBS |access-date=November 29, 2024 |quote="raised in Hawaii and spent a year of her childhood in the Philippines."}}{{Cite web |date=2024-09-19 |title=How the American Sangh built up Tulsi Gabbard {{!}} The Caravan |url=https://caravanmagazine.in/politics/american-sangh-affair-tulsi-gabbard |access-date=2024-11-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240919141423/https://caravanmagazine.in/politics/american-sangh-affair-tulsi-gabbard |archive-date=September 19, 2024 }}

• She and her family have been associated with the Science of Identity Foundation (SIF), a Vaishnava affiliated organization.{{cite news|last=Bowles|first=Nellie|author-link=Nellie Bowles|date=August 2, 2019|title=Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed|newspaper=The New York Times |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|access-date=December 16, 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190802203429/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|archive-date=August 2, 2019}}{{void|comment|Fabrickator|url is not dead but content may be non-viewable to non-subscribers, but omitting url-status since archive-url works well for both subscribers and non-subscribers}}{{cbignore}}{{Cite news|last=Howley|first=Kerry|date=June 11, 2019|title=Tulsi Gabbard Had a Very Strange Childhood|newspaper=New York Magazine|url=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html|url-status=live|access-date=January 13, 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200213235130/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html|archive-date=February 13, 2020}} When Gabbard's parents moved to Hawaii, they had joined the circle of disciples around the founder of the SIF{{cite news|title=Chris Butler: About this guru business|last=Christensen|first=John|date=November 23, 1982|newspaper=Honolulu Star-Bulletin|page=B-1}} connected with International Society for Krishna Consciousness,{{Cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|title=Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed |last=Bowles|first=Nellie|author-link=Nellie Bowles|date=August 2, 2019|newspaper=The New York Times|access-date=December 9, 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190802203429/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|archive-date=August 2, 2019| quote= " She was raised in part on the teachings of the guru Mr. Butler....'he's essentially like a Vaishnava Hindu pastor'"}}{{cite web|last=Hurley|first=Bevan|date=August 4, 2019|title=Meet the guitar-strumming Kiwi surfer dude who's become US presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard's secret weapon|url=https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/114665278/meet-the-guitarstrumming-kiwi-surfer-dude-whos-become-us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbards-secret-weapon|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200312152136/https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/114665278/meet-the-guitarstrumming-kiwi-surfer-dude-whos-become-us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbards-secret-weapon|archive-date=March 12, 2020|access-date=December 9, 2019}}{{cite web|last=McCarthy|first=Tom|date=March 19, 2019|title=Who is Tulsi Gabbard? The progressive 2020 hopeful praised by Bannon and the right|website=The Guardian|url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/18/tulsi-gabbard-2020-progressive-steve-bannon-right|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190520045013/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/18/tulsi-gabbard-2020-progressive-steve-bannon-right|archive-date=May 20, 2019|access-date=December 16, 2019}} She described the SIF's leader, Chris Butler, as a guide and "essentially like a Vaishnava Hindu pastor" during her early years. Butler has in return likened her to a star pupil. In 2024, the Trump transition team stated that Gabbard has "no affiliation" with the SIF.{{Cite web |last=Grube |first=Nick |date=2024-12-10 |title=Senators Urged To Examine Gabbard's 'Deep and Intense' Ties To Hawaiʻi Sect |url=https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/senators-urged-to-examine-gabbards-deep-and-intense-ties-to-hawaii-sect/ |access-date=2025-01-06 |website=Honolulu Civil Beat |language=en}} Briefly, from 1988 to 1992, Gabbard's parents owned a small vegetarian restaurant, The Natural Deli in Moiliili, Hawaii.{{Cite news|last=Sanneh|first=Kelefa|author-link=Kelefa Sanneh|date=October 30, 2017|title=What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?|newspaper=The New Yorker|url=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe|url-status=live|access-date=January 13, 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200607114820/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe|archive-date=June 7, 2020}}{{cite web|last=Bolante|first=Ronna|date=August 1, 2004|title=Who is Mike Gabbard?|url=http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu-Magazine/August-2004/Who-is-Mike-Gabbard/|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200506111328/http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu-Magazine/August-2004/Who-is-Mike-Gabbard/|archive-date=May 6, 2020|access-date=November 1, 2019|magazine=Honolulu Magazine}}

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Simply following from what's at Tulsi Gabbard, focusing on her relationship with SIF, and drawing upon the other sources we currently use or have been reviewed above:

• She was raised in a SIF community.
• Her parents were long-time followers of Chris Butler and members of SIF.
• Gabbard was mostly home schooled, but attended a SIF girls' school in the Philippines.
• (Include Gabbard's description of her relationship with Butler, and Butler's description of his relationship with her.)
• Gabbard continued to have strong ties to the SIF community through her life.
• Gabbard has worked to hide her relationship with SIF.

I expect there are some main points missing, and it appears we have to qualify at least some of the information occurring after she started obscuring her relationship with SIF. --Hipal (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm uncertain what we should use to introduce the section on Gabbard. Butler's description maybe, or her family ties to SIF and how she's worked to hide them. The latter would be more consistent with the Tulsi Gabbard article, and a much more prominent topic in the references. --Hipal (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

• SIF has significantly supported her career. --Hipal (talk) 01:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Some sources indicate her parents were prominent, high-level members. --Hipal (talk) 18:06, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• I think it would be better to have a few summarizing statements rather attempting to list her many connections to SIF (education, marriages, contracts, employees, etc). --Hipal (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Going over the seven potential refs discussed above, there appear to be some aspects of SIF that deserve higher prominence: the secretiveness of the group, and Butler's position in the group as a figure of adoration and extremely high authority. Some indication of their business relationships seems DUE as well. --Hipal (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Previously mentioned that should also be added to this article: QNet should be mentioned. --Hipal (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

The RfC mentions that sectioin content be reverted to the version before the RfC, except for the deletion of

Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF.

I saved the last version as below:

From [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Science_of_Identity_Foundation&oldid=1263303389]:

Association to Tulsi Gabbard and her family

SIF received a great deal of media coverage when some columnists found that Tulsi Gabbard had been associated with the SIF.{{cite news |last= Bowles |first= Nellie |author-link= Nellie Bowles |title= Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed |newspaper= The New York Times |date= August 2, 2019 |access-date= September 21, 2019 |page= A1 |url= https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|archive-date=September 26, 2019 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190926014900/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html}}{{fv|date=December 2024}} During her childhood, Tulsi Gabbard was influenced by SIF and considered Butler as her mentor.{{Cite news |last=Grube |first=Nick |date=2024-12-10 |title=Senators Urged To Examine Gabbard's 'Deep and Intense' Ties To Hawaiʻi Sect |url=https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/senators-urged-to-examine-gabbards-deep-and-intense-ties-to-hawaii-sect/ |access-date=2024-12-12 |work=Honolulu Civil Beat |language=en}} In 2015, she acknowledged Butler as her guru in a video statement for an ISKCON anniversary event. Her father, Mike Gabbard, a Hawaii State Senator, has also been associated with SIF{{Cite book |last=Issenberg |first=Sasha |title=The Engagement: America's Quarter-Century Struggle Over Same-Sex Marriage |publisher=Knopf Doubleday |year=2021 |isbn=9781984898517 |pages=112–114}} and his wife, Carol Gabbard, was the treasurer of the SIF. Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF.{{cite web| date=November 21, 2024|title=Tulsi Gabbard: Did British daily call Hinduism or ISKCON an ‘obscure cult’?|url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/tulsi-gabbard-did-british-daily-call-hinduism-an-obscure-cult/amp_articleshow/115528909.cms |website=The Times of India| quote= "as Gabbard matured, she began to distance herself from SIF. By her teenage years, she embarked on a spiritual journey that led her to fully embrace Hinduism, specifically the Vaishnava tradition. She has publicly stated that she no longer regards Butler as her guru and identifies instead with mainstream Hindu teachings centered on devotion to Krishna, the Supreme Lord in Vaishnavism."}}{{cite news |last= Bowles |first= Nellie |author-link= Nellie Bowles |title= Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed |newspaper= The New York Times |date= August 2, 2019 |access-date= September 21, 2019 |page= A1 |url= https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html|archive-date=September 26, 2019 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190926014900/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html}} While she called Butler her guru in a 2015 video statement for an ISKCON event, she commented, in 2017: “I’ve had many different spiritual teachers” and called Butler "essentially like a Vaishnava Hindu pastor".{{cite web|last=McCarthy|first=Tom|date=March 19, 2019|title=Who is Tulsi Gabbard? The progressive 2020 hopeful praised by Bannon and the right|website=TheGuardian.com|url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/18/tulsi-gabbard-2020-progressive-steve-bannon-right|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190520045013/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/18/tulsi-gabbard-2020-progressive-steve-bannon-right|archive-date=May 20, 2019|access-date=December 16, 2019}} A 2015 Honolulu Civil Beat review of records, internet postings and interviews has found "no evidence that Tulsi Gabbard is — or ever was — a Butler devotee".{{cite web|last=Kaneya|first=Rui|date=March 16, 2015|title=Tulsi Gabbard Still Dogged By Krishna Cult Rumors|website=Huffington Post|url=https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-krishna-cult-rumors_n_6879588|url-status=live|access-date=December 14, 2024}}

{{Cite web |last=Hurley |first=Bevan |date=2022-10-16 |title=Tulsi Gabbard's ties to secretive cult may explain her perplexing political journey |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-cult-putin-democrat-science-of-identity-b2058196.html |access-date=2023-05-09 |website=The Independent |language=en}}{{Cite web |last=Bolante |first=Ronna |date=2004-08-01 |title=Who is Mike Gabbard? |url=https://www.honolulumagazine.com/who-is-mike-gabbard/ |access-date=2024-10-01 |website=Honolulu Magazine |language=en-US}}{{Cite news |last=Sanneh |first=Kelefa |date=October 30, 2017 |title=What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe? |url=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200607114820/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe |archive-date=June 7, 2020 |access-date=January 13, 2019 |newspaper=New Yorker}}

Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:14, 4 March 2025 (UTC) RogerYg (talk) 05:14, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Humanengr (talk), I think we may update the section per WP:NPOV and WP:BLPBALANCE, after the RfC has been closed with vague guidance. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::So you want to take up the dispute that resulted in the RfC? I suggest you rethink your approach. Sanctions apply. --Hipal (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I am only following the guidance provide in RfC closure, and not disputing the RfC outcome. I accept the outcome, which is to remove the phrase that "Tulsi Gabbard distanced herself from SIF". Thanks. RogerYg (talk) RogerYg (talk) 10:02, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Please note the RfC closure report below:

::::The essence of this in compact form is: (a) there is a consensus for the section described, (b) there is no consensus for what that section should be titled, (c) there is no consensus as to whether to include a "separation" or "distancing" statement in the section, however, the practical result may be that this should be omitted pending some future consensus since (it appears) omission was the stable version of the article.

::::The RfC closure guidance encourages future discussion to gain a future consensus on this issue. So, I am following the RfC guidance for developing a consensus on these issues. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 10:07, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::You are ignoring subsequent discussion, and duplicating portions of it is disruptive. --Hipal (talk) 18:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Hi Smiiikes (talk | contribs), Thanks for adding relevant balancing content, which is much needed in this section as discussed in RfC per WP:BLPBALANCE

::::::In 2024, a spokesperson stated that Gabbard has "no affiliation with the Science of Identity Foundation" and described criticisms of Gabbard's faith as "false" and "bigoted."

::::::{{Cite news |last=Grube |first=Nick |date=2024-12-10 |title=Senators Urged To Examine Gabbard's 'Deep and Intense' Ties To Hawaiʻi Sect |url=https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/senators-urged-to-examine-gabbards-deep-and-intense-ties-to-hawaii-sect/ |access-date=2024-12-12 |work=Honolulu Civil Beat |language=en}}

::::::I think it was wrong for other editor to revert your edit without any discussion, and you should add this important content back per WP:NPOV and WP:BLPBALANCE Thanks. 07:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC) RogerYg (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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The closed RfC notes that there is no consensus on title of the Section.

I would suggest that the title be changed

from Association with Tulsi Gabbard

to Association with Gabbard family

since the main association of Butler was with Mike Gabbard, and Tulsi was mostly a minor during much of her mentioned association, which is over her schooling years, and early teenage years. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also per WP:BLP, it seems unfair to target Tulsi Gabbard in the section title, while it has been noted in the RfC that there is no consensus for Section title "Association with Tulsi Gabbard" .

Mike Gabbard had a longer association with SIF than Tulsi. Further, I think much of Tulsi's association may be debatable and with contradictions from different sources.

Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:35, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::The purpose of section headings is to help readers find relevant information about the topic. This section - and the numerous sources on which it is based - exist because Tulsi Gabbard is now a highly prominent individual. The significant number of sources has not arisen because her family are the directors of national intelligence: it is because Tulsi Gabbard is. Her association with the article subject is why this section exists at all. Thus its appropriate, and most helpful to readers, to include her name in the title. Cambial — foliar❧ 12:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:::We've been over this previously. SIF is notable because of the coverage of Tulsi Gabbard. Taking up the dispute once again to violate POV by indicating otherwise is disruptive. Sanctions apply. --Hipal (talk) 18:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Please note point b of the RfC closure report below:

::::(b) there is no consensus for what that section should be titled

::::The RfC closure guidance encourages future discussion to gain a future consensus on relvant issues. So, I am following the RfC guidance for developing a consensus on these issues. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::Ignoring policy, past discussion, and references is disruptive and counter to consensus-building. --Hipal (talk) 18:39, 5 March 2025 (UTC)