Talk:Sentient (intelligence analysis system)#GA Review

Given the NRO in 2010 formally called it "Sentient Enterprise", we have some more sources. I have another potential set [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Very_Polite_Person/test3&oldid=1227596485 here] (not all will be relevant, was just a quick assemblage there).

• https://spacenews.com/nro-planning-shift-to-smaller-satellites-new-ground-system/
• https://trajectorymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Show-Daily-2013-14-Day-4.pdf

Still looking for more. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:Does anyone know what this may be in terms of material? Found [https://archive.org/details/story-of-modern-war/page/n345/mode/2up?q=sentient here], and references "Page n346 U.S. Department of Defense, National Reconnaissance Office. Sentient Program. REL to USA, FVEY. DECL ON 25X1, 20670112. INCG 1.0, February 13, 2012." -- Very Polite Person (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I originally saw this article through the talk page of WikiProject Espionage, and I noticed that this article had been changed to B-class and is now a GAN. First off, thank you @Very Polite Person; this is all great work you've done.

Though, I'm not sure about B-class or GAN. The article could certainly use more citations, as it uses the many of same citations multiple times, keeping the citation count relatively low, but the article is quite wordy, and I'm definitely going to go in to fix a lot of the things I think could be better. Normally, I would just change the rating, but since the rating was added so newly, I wanted to bring it up on the talk page first, especially since @Hawkeye7, who rated it, has so much experience.

I think that C-class is a better fit for this article, but I'd like to hear your thoughts, or have a discussion beforehand. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 12:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, thanks! I can't admit to expertise on the ratings thing. At a glance... halfway between C and B today? C.8/10? What are you thinking needs changing? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 13:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Assessment is based on project-wide B-class criteria. See Wikipedia:Content assessment/B-Class criteria for details. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

This article has a lot of good information, but the sourcing is far too heavily reliant on primary sourcing (budget justifications, documents from the National Reconnaisance Office, and so on). I realize it's going to be hard to find a lot of secondary info when the program is mostly classified, but as it stands we're essentially aggregating a bunch of quotes here, which isn't really what WP is for. I put up the primary sources template because I think we might need to winnow our quotes to rely mostly on the few secondary sources that are given. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Very Polite Person}} You nominated this article for GAN a week before this complaint was lodged. You've had some time to address it, but nothing has been done. I will quick fail this article if I don't hear from you soon. Viriditas (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

::Also, I am a bit concerned by your comments up above. The day before you nominated this article at GAN, you described it as a "first draft". I don't think that qualifies for GA. Viriditas (talk) 22:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:::I was sidetracked by 'real life' and other projects. I'll swing back to this later. Thanks for your time and sorry. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 18:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

::::Ping me again when you nominate it and I will try again. Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

{{Talk:Sentient (intelligence analysis system)/GA1}}

100% of known/found sources (over a year+) -- considered, integrated or discarded for various policy reasons. More edits than I want to admit. Article was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sentient_(intelligence_analysis_system)&oldid=1193133346 2,606 bytes before my first edit]. Peaked at 40,599 bytes to get everything that was workable in place to refine, and now down to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sentient_(intelligence_analysis_system)&oldid=1290919432 29,662 bytes].

That cut 10,937 bytes, or four entire copies of the original article as I found it. There's no more sources I know of (yet)--this is about as refined as I can get it. Anything else is probably polish if there's any. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Saw a post a while ago on the WikiProject Mass Surveillance talk asking for advice on improvements. I think this article would greatly benefit from an explanation of exactly how AI is used -- it currently reads like a press release where AI is used as a buzzword, but even what kind of AI is completely unclear. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:I would be exceptionally greatful for any additional sourcing along those lines. If it exists, anywhere, I've yet to find it. At best we have logical inference for the reader based on standard computer science and related data analysis concepts, intersected with intelligence concepts, which are all public. It's not terribly difficult to put 2+2 on it. After over a year, I've just never found any WP:RS that goes that deep. That's undoubtedly among the rather more classified information. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::Use what you have. Start with the future ground architecture slide and use your own words to explain the info depicted. That’s a good start. You can use that as a starting point. Filling in the gaps from there in a general way should be easy. Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::...it didn't even occur to me to use the slide image as a source. You rock. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2025 (UTC)