Talk:Sexuality and gender identity-based cultures/Archive 1

Is the reference to History of Sexuality a reference to the book by Michel Foucault, which talks about whether coming out is prudent, or is it actually a reference to that wikipage? If it is a reference to the book, which is what I assumed, should the link be changed? If it's not a reference to the book, would someone clarify what in the linked page relates to the prudence of coming out?

{This is an outline section describing on-line social networking in gay (and mostly gay male) culture. A rigourous and comprehensive article would refer to articles published on- or off-line which have measured or at the very least, made note of the phenomenon. At present, it contains many rather bold assertions that cry out for imperical research, but which could also be justified for inclusion in a Wikipedia article if backed up by appropriate references to authors who are stating what I feel is generally believed to be true.}

Well-read meeja-types: here is your chance

Douglas Jardine 00:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm tagging the whole article for lack of sources. I'm also removing the following phrase (my italics) from the "Gay male culture" section for POV:

A small group of privileged, Euroethnic gay men formed the Violet Quill society, which focused on writing about gay experience as something central and normal in a story for the first time, rather than as a "naughty" sideline to a mostly straight story. --Textorus 23:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Since the first section has the same name as the article, isn't it sort of redundant? Shouldn't that section be something like "Definitions", then move those subsections up one level? Anyone disagree? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

As an attempt to move this article towards Summary style, I've split the LGBT culture section out into its own article. The section left here is desparately in need of rewriting. --Alynna (talk) 02:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Not only is this a strong POV without any references whatsoever, it seriously confuses Gender with Sexuality. It basically says that the Western societies are based upon a classification of Gender and Sexuality... while the rest are not, When the fact is that all societies in the past have been based upon Gender identities of people (but not on sexuality), mainly into: Man, woman and Third sex; while the Modern West is primarily divided into a strange amalgmation of Gender and Sexuality, where masculine exclusive heterosexuality is kept in one group, and all the rest forms of Gender and Sexuality (masculine male to male sexuality, feminine male to male sexuality, all forms of bisexuality, lesbianism, queer heterosexuality) are kept under LGBT.

This article seriously confuses the matter, and if it can't be improved, it should be proposed for deletion.

It's really disturbing how biased towards Western LGBT POV, Wikipedia is. While it lets be a seriously flawed POV like this one, it has repeatedly deleted articles that are not in tandem with LGBT POV, even when they have been put up with references (e.g. Voices against the Concept of Sexual Orientation). (Masculinity (talk) 08:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC))

:I think you may misunderstand what this article is about. It is not saying anything about how any society, Western or otherwise, is organised. It is about subcultures that are centered around sexuality or gender variance. In many societies, both Western and non-Western, gender variant people as well as people with "non-standard" sexuality are marginalised. Those people often form their own subcultures. In the West, LGBT culture is the main example, but this article is about other subcultures too. This article could be helped by the addition of non-western subcultures.

:Is there some way the lede could explain more clearly what this article is about, so that other people aren't confused? --Alynna (talk) 10:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I think it would be a good idea... it should definitely make a distincction between the classification in the West and those in the non-Western societies.(59.180.153.101 (talk) 10:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC))

::If your talking about subcultures, why is the title about cultures? I think it should be renamed. I though it was about main cultures based on sexuality and gender Lanodan (talk) 21:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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