Talk:Spirit possession and exorcism in Islam

This article seems to lack a lot of information not to mention any alternate or opposing views which makes this article seem very biased and one-sided. I think the neutrality of this article should be called into question and anybody who knows more about this practice who has experience of it possibly anyone who knows any better about less harmful methods which are not abusive should come forward and report on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.87.186 (talk) 01:56, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

::As a Muslim, I have never heard of Jinn-therapy or anything mentioned in this article. Nor have I heard or read about it. I have not even heard or read about such a practice in any other sect/branch of Islam. Few people do some odd things and that is considered Islam's view?!! KachaleMouferferee (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

:::Greetings. This article is about "Exorcism within Islam" that does not mean, Islam includes necesarrily Exorcism rituals, neither that they are part of Islamic theology (Exorcism is indeed more up to folklore and part of Islamic traditions, for example jinn-possession does not appear even once in the Quran). We could for example add an "critic"-section, but we need reliable secondary sources for further sections. You may edit them on your own or show them in this talkpage.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

::::There is no possession in Islam that a jinn get into someone's soul or body.

::::This article is not based on Islamic sources and teachings and is based on what may some people in some Muslim populated places do or believe. In Islam you have jinns and in some situations you may get effected by them or due to spells done on you that enforces some jinns to execute the spell. Possession as in movies or like Christianity that a devil enters one's body and takes control etc is in no way believed or possible in Islamic teachings. Jinns are not equal to devils in Islam! They have faithful and kaffir clans just like humans. The Devils are Satan and his children/clan which their kind is Jinn and in no ways they are to do supernatural staff like Christian movies. Angels, humans and Jinn these are type/kind of creatures and in Islam jinn is not equal to demon and devils. There is no exorcism in islam! If anyone Claims such it's superficial and fraud. You just have those who know سحر/magic which is a branch of what called "علوم غریبه" means knowledge of unknown and they just write some رقیه or prayers etc to open the spell that was closed. I assume no one who participated in this article has ever read anything related to Islamic teachings 5.126.194.136 (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

this article has alot of wrong concepts about islam and Ruqya

I think the writer has a misunderstand about Ruqya

Almost all of the article is wrong

and the reference itself has nothing to do with islam

Some muslim expert has to edit the article Hager gamal mohamed (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superstitions in Muslim societies until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bookku (talk) 05:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spirit_possession_and_exorcism_in_Islam&diff=1062328354&oldid=1062306466 here it is]. Changed title, greatly expanded, removed about 4 tags.

Have worked on this for a couple of weeks (or at least it feels like it). --Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

doesn't the procedure also usually imply an invite to Islam? Before trying to excorcise the jinn, some scholars invite them to abandon their unbelief and become Muslims instead. Are there recrods in good sources about that? (also: awesome improvement of the article so far)--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

:did not find any records in good sources about this. Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

What was the reason for moving this page from "Exorcism in Islam" to "Spirit possession and exorcism in Islam". The former title was more WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENT with Exorcism in Christianity and Exorcism in the Catholic Church.VR _talk 19:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

:i would have thought it would have been obvious. there is no exorcism without possession and much of the article is about possession. Louis P. Boog (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

::approximately half the article is about possession. Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Allah is the one 2600:2B00:766F:2000:9894:51DC:C68B:ECD (talk) 03:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

For anyone wondering why there are so many bald statements in this article, like

:Belief in the supernatural—witchcraft, sorcery, magic, ghosts, and demons—in the Muslim world is not marginalized as eccentric or a product of ignorance, but is prevalent among all social classes.

and then instead of those statements being followed by a source, instead there is a {{cn}} tag, well, there did use to be a citation. Citations such as

• {{cite journal |title=The Politics of Muslim Magic |journal=Middle East Quarterly |volume=20 |issue= 2 |date=Spring 2013 |pages= |last1=Perlmutter |first=Dawn |url=https://www.meforum.org/3533/islam-magic-witchcraft |access-date=14 December 2021}}.
• al-Jinn 72:14-15], quoted in {{cite web |title=The world of Jinn #2340 | url=https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/2340 |website=Islam Question and Answer }}

Unfortunately, the sources in those citations have been decreed "biased" (meforum.org), or in the case of IslamQA, unapproved because the head of the site does not have academic credentials, and the citations were deleted.

I maintain the sources and their information are credible, but I'm in the minority.--Louis P. Boog (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

:Why do you believe an unaccredited, none peer reviewed source(s) as credible? If a person without scientific credentials were to make conclusions on scientific studies or sources you wouldn’t trust them or at least deem them as potentially questionable if they do not explain the reasonable logic behind such a conclusion. Just by saying “i believe the source/info being credible” is a wishy washy justification that is superficial and idiotic. Please be better next time especially dealing with subjects you and your sources have little expertise in before questioning or opposing the voices of experts in those fields like islamQA. 2A04:4A43:91BF:FF80:6923:576E:EF00:9FE8 (talk) 10:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

This article is not based on Islamic sources and teachings and is based on what may some people in some Muslim populated places do or believe. In Islam you have jinns and in some situations you may get effected by them or due to spells done on you that enforces some jinns to execute the spell. Possession as in movies or like Christianity that a devil enters one's body and takes control etc is in no way believed or possible in Islamic teachings. Jinns are not equal to devils in Islam! They have faithful and kaffir clans just like humans. The Devils are Satan and his children/clan which their kind is Jinn and in no ways they are to do supernatural staff like Christian movies. Angels, humans and Jinn these are type/kind of creatures and in Islam jinn is not equal to demon and devils.

There is no exorcism in islam! If anyone Claims such it's superficial and fraud. You just have those who know سحر/magic which is a branch of what called "علوم غریبه" means knowledge of unknown and they just write some رقیه or prayers etc to open the spell that was closed.

I assume no one who participated in this article has ever read anything related to Islamic teachings 5.126.194.136 (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)