Talk:St. Ulrich's and St. Afra's Abbey#Requested move 12 March 2025

What are the hours? Please, if anyone knows, this is quite important. 68.55.183.136 23:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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• :Basilica of SS. Ulrich and Afra, Augsburg → {{no redirect|Basilica of Saints Ulrich and Afra}}

– Consistency, comprehensibility, less punctuation. "Saint Ulrich and Saint Afra" would be fine with me. Srnec (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:10, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support. This choice of WP:CONSISTENT style is in line with the first suggested style at MOS:PARTSAINT: "{Church building} of Saint {X}". "Saint" (or "Saints" plural) is an area of MOS:COMMONALITY, as "St." is considered to be American English and "St" is considered to be British. (And "SS." is rather an unfamiliar style.) "Saints X and Y" is more WP:CONCISE than "Saint X and Saint Y". Ham II (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I am not happy with the two suggestions. How about staying closer to the German name, St. Ulrich und Afra, perhaps merging the two related articles? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• :What don't you like about the suggested titles? I don't think I support a merge. There are just too many things here. There is a building, the abbey church, currently a basilica. There is the abbey as an institution with buildings but not limited to them. And there is the state ruled by the abbots, which is not easily distinguished in English literature. If anything, we could cover the abbey-as-institution and the building(s) in a single article while leaving a separate article for the state. Thoughts? Srnec (talk) 14:08, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
• :: I don't like mixes of German and English, so using the (efficient) German name for the two saints would conflict with with "abbey", "basilica" and "Saints". If two articles I'd then go for an extra Kloster St. Ulrich and Afra. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

:Note: WikiProject Germany has been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)