Talk:Stepan Bandera#Neutrality is broken, article needs rework

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| quote = Since the Russian invasion, the English Wikipedia articles about the historical figures and topics Putin invoked have been racking up pop-star numbers. The article about Stepan Bandera, a far-right leader of Ukrainian nationalists before and during World War II — whom Putin sees as an evil force guiding Ukraine even today — has been viewed a million times since the invasion.

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Spreading disinformation

@Mellk, please elaborate your removal [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1264290597&oldid=1264285852] of [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Palgrave_Handbook_of_Contemporary_Ge/oY8uEQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ukrainian+movement+for+independence+were+organized+by+the+followers+of+Stepan&pg=PA422&printsec=frontcover The Palgrave Handbook of Contemporary Geopolitics - Google Books] . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 10:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:You are including an overly long quote so that the summary of the section pushes a certain view. I have already stated in the edit summary that this is undue. Mellk (talk) 10:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::It does not fit with rules well to remove the content referenced to the academic source completely, instead of fixing it per how it would fit you.{{pb}}{{tq|1=so that the summary of the section pushes a certain view}}
What would be your fix? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Seems like this belongs somewhere. This content is not saying the same things the other content is saying. I agree this was a bit overly long for that particular spot. It could go in a new paragraph or a new subsection. Tristario (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:::No, because we have WP:ONUS. It is already mentioned that Russian propaganda and tactics are similar to those of Soviet authorities. Perhaps it could be used to rewrite the sentence about {{tq|equating the development of Ukrainian national identity with Nazism}} because it is currently cited to the U.S. Helsinki Commission website and this is hardly reliable here. Mellk (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Wording issue

The wiki article states, "Bandera did not actively support or participate in the Lviv pogroms or acts of violence against Jewish and Polish civilians..."

The cited source reads, "There are no indications that Stepan Bandera actively supported the..."

These sentences have two different meanings. 2601:1C2:4300:A6D0:78B3:32E1:8331:A264 (talk) 23:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:I have changed the wording of that to "There is no evidence that..." Tristario (talk) 01:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)