Talk:Talmud

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In the fourth paragraph of the article, link the word "philosophy" to the page for Jewish philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_philosophy

It appears in the following sentence:

"It is written in Mishnaic Hebrew and Jewish Babylonian Aramaic and contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including halakha, Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, and folklore, and many other topics." Master & Emissary (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia! Happy editing. GordonGlottal (talk) 21:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

this text is very confusing to read, and has an unnecessary diffult style of convuluted english which cloak the meaning of sentences. the introduction is too long and does not come to a point. e.g. already the second sentence 'Until the advent of modernity, in nearly all Jewish communities, the Talmud was the centerpiece of Jewish cultural life and was foundational to "all Jewish thought and aspirations", serving also as "the guide for the daily life" of Jews.' has 3 commas and 4 double quotes and says exactly: nothing. what exactly is "advent of modernity", and "nearly all jewish communities"? many links are useless also. if you hover over philosophy it shows "jewish philosophy is the the philosophy of jews". judaism deserves more than such low quality jibberish texts.

ThurnerRupert (talk) 13:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

: I agree this page needs significant more brevity. Pogenplain (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

There was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talmud&diff=1263025495&oldid=1262889945 section called "Oral pre-history" that was deleted] ("uncritical presentation of the traditional story of the circumstances that oral traditions began to be written down"). It had two reliable sources cited, albeit in notes (a,b) rather than proper references -- Strack and Grayzel, with a reference to the medieval Sherira Gaon. It would be better to restore this section and then edit it, improve, rather than delete it. Certainly there is a history behind the Talmud text and, if need be, the references given can be qualified, as needed, or supplemented. (FWIW, I didn't write the deleted section) @Pogenplain thoughts? ProfGray (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would tend to agree with ProfGray that the material in that section is probably salveageable. One source that might be worth consulting is Gerson Cohen's critical edition of Ibn Daud.{{Cite book |last=Cohen |first=Gerson |title=The Book of Tradition: Sefer Ha-Qabbalah |date=2010-03-01 |publisher=U of Nebraska Press |isbn=978-0-8276-0916-7 |language=en}} Andre🚐 02:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

::If that paragraph can be rewritten and properly sourced according to the current thinking in the literature, and its relation to the Talmud is explained, I agree it can have a place on the page. Pogenplain (talk) 03:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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"The influence of the Babylonian geonim ... also weighted the scales in favour of the Talmud of their land, which they introduced and taught in all the Diaspora communities of the Middle Ages, as well as in the Land of Israel. Thus the Babylonian Talmud gained primary influence on Jewish history throughout the ages. It became the basic - and in many places almost the exclusive ~ asset of Jewish tradition, the foundation of all Jewish thought and aspirations and the guide for the daily life of the Jew. Other components of national culture were made known only in so far as they were embedded in the Talmud. In almost every period and community until the modern age, the Talmud was the main object of Jewish study and education; all the external conditions and events of life seemed to be but passing incidents, and the only true, permanent reality was that of the Talmud."

Source: Safrai, S. (1969). "The Era of the Mishnah and Talmud (70–640)". In Ben-Sasson, H.H. (ed.). [https://books.google.com/books?id=2kSovzudhFUC&q=talmud+primary&pg=PA379 A History of the Jewish People]. Translated by Weidenfeld, George. Harvard University Press (published 1976). p. 379. ISBN 9780674397316. Mox La Push (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Additional Sources:

• [https://books.google.com/books?id=7ewY9764Wv8C&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA131&dq=maskilim%20talmud&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q=maskilim%20talmud&f=false People of the Book: Canon, Meaning, and Authority] by Moshe Halbertal
• [https://books.google.com/books?id=LZHUDwAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA195&dq=haskalah%20talmud&pg=PA195#v=onepage&q=haskalah%20talmud&f=false The Talmud: A Biography] by Barry Scott Wimpfheimer
• "[https://www.jmberlin.de/en/topic-haskalah-enlightenment Haskalah/En­lighten­ment]" by Jewish Museum Berlin
• "[https://jewishstudies.washington.edu/jewish-history-and-thought/haskalah-jewish-modernity-shame/ The Haskalah: Jewish Modernity & Shame]" by Yitzhak Melamed

--Mox La Push (talk) 00:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Pogenplain, you added this text in front of an existing citation (Amsler, Monika, The Babylonian Talmud and late antique book culture, 2023, Cambridge university press, p.123).

{{quote|By comparison, Islamic-era rabbinic documents are heavily influenced by Arabic writing, convention, and loanwords, and rabbinic writings came to be exclusively written in Arabic by the 8th century.}}

Does page 123 of that source cover this specific information? Jayjg ^(talk) 20:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

: @Jayjg Yes. I also am the originally person who added this citation before. Pogenplain (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for confirming that. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)