Talk:Talpanas

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The result of the move request was: Page moved —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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:Small-eyed Duck → Talpanas — The purported vernacular name for this recently discovered fossil does not seem to be used anywhere except a single paper and Wikipedia and its mirrors ([http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Small-eyed+Duck&aq=f&oq=&aqi= google search]), and regardless, this should be at its scientific name. It is the only known species in the genus Talpanas, so it should be at the plain genus name. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 02:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

:: When moving than to Talpanas lippa because it could always be that another species of this genus will be discovered --Melly42 (talk) 11:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

:::See Ucucha's comment at Talk:Caecilita iwokramae, and WP:CRYSTAL. I doubt a new species will be discovered anyhow. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 16:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support. The paper Innotata refers to is the current ref. 1. It refers to "aff. Anas sp." (most likely the same as Talpanas) as an "undescribed small-eyed duck". This is intended solely as a label, not an actual vernacular name, because it is not capitalized, unlike other vernacular names in the same table. Thus, "Small-eyed Duck" has not been used as the common name in any reliable source found so far; it should not be used on Wikipedia either. Ucucha 20:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

:Cf. also Talk:Law's Diving Goose, which seems to be by the same user (same style). —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: {{done}} (pmc) DrStrauss talk {{resize|70%|please use {{ping|DrStrauss}} when replying}} 08:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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:Kaua'i mole duck → {{no redirect|Talpanas}} – Shouldnt have been moved from the genus name Kevmin § 07:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

::Support per nomination--Kevmin § 01:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

::Oppose. Kaua'i mole duck is a monotypic species (Talpanas lippa) and an accepted vernacular name (see Hume & Walters 2012 (Extinct Birds 1st ed.), Hume & Walther 2016 (Extinct Birds of Hawaii), Hume 2017 (Extinct Birds 2nd revised edition)) --Melly42 (talk) 23:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

:::It was appropriately at the genus name, which is the more commonly used name for the taxon, the vernaular that is now used, is not commonly used.--Kevmin § 01:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

::::Do you judge by Google or by released books? And this article on the species. --Melly42 (talk) 11:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

:::::I judge by the name most often found in the literature about it, and "Kaua'i mole duck" is far less used then Talpanas or Talpanas lippa. Hume & Walters 2012 creating a vernacular name does not mean it automatically trumps the most commonly cited name (the genus name).--Kevmin § 14:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

::Support: The vast majority of monotypic taxon articles use the generic name.--Mr Fink (talk) 23:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

:::This is not quite correct. Most monotypic bird species use the vernacular name if it is known and published --Melly42 (talk) 11:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

::::No, actually that is false, when the entirety of extinct bird species are looked at, the majority of extinct genera are at the genus name (per WP:Paleontology and WP:TOL guidelines)--Kevmin § 14:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support. Google Books lends evidence to the suggestion that "Talpanas" is the more WP:COMMONNAME for this subject ([https://www.google.com/search?biw=1838&bih=840&tbm=bks&q=%22Talpanas%22&oq=%22Talpanas%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10330.10330.0.11117.1.1.0.0.0.0.132.132.0j1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0.RL8AVAQgFTI] vs. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Kaua%27i+mole+duck%22&source=lnms&tbm=bks&biw=1838&bih=840]).--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:52, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Previous RM is supported by WP:Paleontology and WP:TOL#Article titles guidelines (...for a genus that contains a single species, the genus name should be used...), so the more recent undiscussed move should not have taken place. Andrewa (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME; Talpanas is more commonly used in reliable sources than Kaua'i mole duck. Plantdrew (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

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