Talk:Tellurophenes

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Celia Homeford (talk) 10:16, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Tellurophenes → {{no redirect|Tellurophene}} – singular form is more correct 109.54.246.114 (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 109.54.234.16 (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Commment: At WP:RMTR, I said this article seems to be about a class of compounds, and noted that MOS:SINGULAR contains an exception to prefer plural in such cases. The requester then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tellurophenes&diff=1288441817&oldid=1266404487 edited] the article in a material way. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support for WP:CONSISTENCY with analogue compound Selenophene 109.54.229.30 (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. I sympthasize with the WP:TITLECON argument, but aside from the chembox, most of the article is about tellurophene derivatives, not the specific compound. In contrast, selenophene is mostly about the specific compound. Perhaps a WP:SPLIT is ultimately the best way to reconcile this. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:40, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mdewman6 and specifically per WP:CHEMGROUP, which states: {{tq|For groups of compounds named after a simple parent compound, articles about the group should be located at the plural of the parent compound name, e.g. {{xt|hydrazines}}, {{xt|silanes}}, {{xt|boranes}}, {{xt|diphosphenes}}.}} This article is substantially about the class of tellurophenes and says very little about the parent compound. It is a misapplication of WP:TITLECON to name this article in the singular like selenophene and thiophene, because those articles are about the unsubstituted parent compound with relatively little coverage of the class. Consistency calls for retaining the plural, per the guidance and examples in CHEMGROUP. The plural here changes the meaning and is necessary to identify the subject of the article (the plural is more PRECISE). Whether to split is beyond the scope of the RM. There is no requirement that the parent compound have its own article. It is appropriate, and is common practice, for articles on classes to discuss the parent compound and for articles on compounds to discuss the class (e.g., thiophene#thiophene derivatives). (Side note: The lead must reflect the article's title and scope, which at present is the class.)--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Both. We have several examples of both singular (parent) and plural (derivatives). Thiourea vs thioureas. The former has a chembox, and the latter does not. For my own tastes, I like an article on the parent even if it is more obscure than the derivatives because the parent provides some calibration and anyway, theorists like the parent. Phosphine oxide (super obscure H₃PO) vs phosphine oxides (rather common R₃PO's) provides one case.--Smokefoot (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Fair point re: appropriateness of having both articles. There's scarcely any discussion of unsubstituted tellurophene here (outside of the chembox) so that article would need to be written from scratch. So, not disagreeing, but it wouldn't really be a "split" as has been mentioned. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:01, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::It would be easy to create a stub with the chembox and leave the rest of this article intact for the most part (aside from the chembox). But yeah, we don't really need to decide on that in this discussion. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose rename as this article is really about the class of compounds. I added the chembox and I would support the idea of a split-off of an article about the parent compound. But is there anything about telluropheme apart from the name? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)