Talk:Ten Commandments

In section 3, where the commandments are listed along with their numbering for each biblical tradition, the numbers have coloured backgrounds. Initially, I assumed that entries with the same colour had something in common, and searched the surrounding text for an explanation. I've come to the conclusion that the colours were simply intended to help legibility, but in the current form they are potentially confusing. Either each number should have a totally different colour, an explanation that they have no further significance should be added, or the colours should be removed entirely.

I initially agreed with you and started to delete the background colours BUT looking at the result, I realised that the colours help to see the grouping of the commandments - should be different colours used and not repeated (but not sure how to do that) 185.69.144.69 (talk) 05:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

:Bingo! 10-colour palette added per suggestion. Let’s see how long it is before a vandal reverts it.. 85.255.237.72 (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

::Can we have some text explaining what the numbers in the colored boxes mean?

::Is it the number of times this commandment appears in that particular category? 98.169.19.80 (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@potatín5 I’m unclear what the issue is here. I used the source you provided, quoting exclusively from it and you reverted. I have asked specifically that you consult with me on editing my work before deleting. I’m trying to act in good faith here.

The source you quoted said:

a) the definition of the Ten Commandments was “covenant document”

b) it cited no sources since 2001 who hold to them being pre-exilic

There is very clearly an academic consensus that the text wasn’t fixed. I’m literally just saying that there were three versions.

Please *in all future cases* consult with me before deleting my edits. IncandescentBliss (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:The current definition is more generic and has been longstanding here. Rom-Shiloni's definition is more restricted to its Hebrew Bible context. Take into account that many modern-day Christians do not believe that the Old Testament covenant remains in vogue while still consider the Ten Commandments as an important source for ethical and religious principles. That's why the current definition is preferable. Potatín5 (talk) 22:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

::The definition should be about what the Ten Commandments are though not what people regard them as today.

::Regarding dating, the Oxford article clearly makes the point at the end that there’s a *reason* people are moving in the direction of a later dating. Simply looking at the dates listed in the article makes this clear. He’s not saying there’s three equally present views now. He’s saying there’s three they have been present and one is eclipsing the other two by and large. IncandescentBliss (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

::The difference between the three versions is an very common topic in the literature. This should not be glossed over.

::Edward L. Greenstein, “Decalogue,” in The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Bible and Law, ed. Brent A. Strawn (2 vols.; Oxford-New York: Oxford University Press, 2015), 1.164-72. IncandescentBliss (talk) 22:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Things are always defined in relation to what people regard them to be at a specific time. The Ten Commandments are no exception to this rule (see how Merriam-Webster dictionary defines them here).

:::Regarding dating, the source clearly states that none of the proposed datings can be demonstrated on firm grounds. You are just supposing things that the source never explicitly states in a way that stands close to WP:OR. Potatín5 (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:Tagging all extended-confirmed editors to the page since January 1 so we can reach a consensus

:@Onel5969 @Bammie73 @Drmies @Auric @Hans-Friedrich Tamke @Chaotic Enby IncandescentBliss (talk) 22:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I was asked by u:IncandescentBliss to take a look at this dispute. I understand that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ten_Commandments&diff=prev&oldid=1201515753 this diff] contains the contested changes. There are quite a lot of changes there and it's hard to discuss all of them at the same time. I would suggest discussing them one-by-one, starting from the most important one. Alaexis_¿question? 07:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion and the article are ridiculous. The bible tells the story, God writting with his finger, and then shows what was written. A and take different from the traditional ten commandments… so every editor is jumping thru hopes, taking a sentence here, and pasting it next to another one there, and constructing the story to match what they learned in their religious tradition. This we call neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C40:7900:212:AD49:A80A:622C:EEAF (talk) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Speaking as an American, some readers will look at this page hoping to find a list of the 10 commandments as we might see them displayed in the Bible or on say displays at state fund schools. I don't see that here. Did I miss them? DyslexicDeficit (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Christians usually do not agree upon a standard list of the Ten Commandments. See Ten Commandments#Religious traditions. So, what pleases one denomination, makes angry others denominations. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

EdwardNathanSchwarz (talk) 11:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Les_Dix_Commandements&redirect=no Les Dix Commandements] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at {{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 8#Les Dix Commandements}} until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 00:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

{{re|Z. Patterson}} See :meta:Requests for comment/Gotquestions and Tektonics. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{replyto|tgeorgescu}} I understand now. The user I reverted did not explain in the edit summary why they were removing a source. Z. Patterson (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)