Talk:The Apprentice (American TV series)#Requested move 10 March 2025

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About the theme song...

If I remember correctly, the O'Jays song has been used since Season 1. So, I don't see why the stuff in the article says that the O'Jays song has been used since Season 2. 24.7.217.221 00:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

: Probably likely that they assumed the theme on the S1 DVD release (which is NOT the O'Jays version) was the one actually used on air. --Masem 00:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

: Well, what theme IS on the S1 DVD release? And, from what I've seen on YouTube, the theme used for the first season was the same song ("For the Love of Money" by The O'Jays) used throughout the series, but it was a different edit than that from S2 & beyond. 24.7.217.221 01:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

: In fact, here's a link to a vid of the first season intro for "The Apprentice": [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEFQlrvJ618 THE APPRENTICE - SEASON 1 INTRO], courtesy of YouTube. 24.7.217.221 19:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Removed Criticism section

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Apprentice_%28U.S._TV_Series%29&diff=182030865&oldid=182028989 I've removed the Criticism section] because it is almost completely unsourced with regard to that material as "criticism". The first paragraph, for example, talks about the product placement in the series. But the source provided for it, while mentioning the product placement at length, never once talks about it as a point of criticism. The same paragraph also mentions that the series is a source of publicity for Trump and the Trump organization, that its portrayal of Trump is flattering, and that the boardroom showdowns typically degenerate into finger pointing and name-calling, none of which are attributed to any critic in the aforementioned source. They are POV (especially the bit about the flattering portrayal), likely that of the editor who added it. The second paragraph talks about the jobs given to the winners, but the source supports none of this, as there is no mention of this at that website. Either that page changed without changing the url, or the user who added it made a mistake. The third passage asserts that a class action age discrimination lawsuit was filed against the show, but offers no source whatsoever for this. The last passage is the only one with a source that actually supports what the passage says, but it's hardly a major source a criticism, and hardly noteworthy. Sir Alan Sugar (has any American heard of this guy?) offered merely a mild creative criticism regarding the show changing things from one season to the next, which is hardly grounds for a entire section. So I removed the entire section. Nightscream (talk) 03:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:I do agree with your removal of the criticism section although someone seems to have restored it. However, for your point on Sir Alan Sugar, who is also a Lord, he is a VERY well known man throughout Europe. He is a billionaire in US dollars, and is a very famous media personality, managing a well known English football team. He is also the host of the UK version of this show which makes his opinion even more valid. His opinion of this program is very important and you should not disregard it just because of your ignorance towards life outside of the US. Dylan (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

:: The section is back and the criticisms listed are either not attributed, or the references are to dead links. It reads very much like the criticisms are either those of the editor, which would be bias, or those that the editor formed from reading, say, fan message boards, which would be original research. I have added the appropriate warnings.Primogen (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::I don't get why this page compares the US version of the show to the UK version of the show in the introduction. The US version clearly was the original version and forerunner with the UK version being based upon it; it's like saying that John Lennon was similar to Sean Lennon. User Dylan is wrong on several counts: Alan Sugar may be well known in the UK but I doubt many people in the rest of Europe could identify him, he has never been the manager of a football team and you could only describe him as a media personality due to his appearing in The Apprentice.Kegon (talk) 10:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Contestants Template

Please can someone make the new template for The Apprentice US contestants. - 01:12, January 6, 2008 (UTC)

:I created the contestants template of The Apprentice and the template link is, The Apprentice contestants. -- 07:44, January 12, 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.254.236 (talk) {{{2|}}}

The Apprentice (U.S.) table colors

Hi, as we know the colors of The Apprentice (U.S.) are the contestants who win the task every week until the contestant is hired at the end of the separated seasons. If any criteria for this series, don't change these colors.

:{{Color box|navy|border=darkgray}} The contestant hired the competition (all seasons)

:{{Color box|cornflowerblue|border=darkgray}} The contestant won as project manager on his/her team (all seasons)

:{{Color box|orange|border=darkgray}} The contestant lost as project manager on his/her team (all seasons)

:{{Color box|pink|border=darkgray}} The contestant called at the final boardroom (all seasons)

:{{Color box|tomato|border=darkgray}} The contestant was fired (all seasons)

:{{Color box|magenta|border=darkgray}} The contestant lost as project manager and was fired (all seasons)

:{{Color box|gray|border=darkgray}} The contestant quit the competition (seasons 3, 6 and 7)

Thanks. --ApprenticeFan (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The Apprentice World-wide WikiProject

Please contribute to the relevant discussion here, as this discussion relates to this article. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 15:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The Apprentice Seasons 1-6 Candidate Tables

I was just seeing if anyone was interested in turning the tables in seasons 1-6 for the candidates into the format of the celebriy seasons and the tenth edition. Christianity922 (talk) 22:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger New Host

Arnold has been named the new host of the show.50.136.139.204 (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Trump vs Sugar

I think the twitter debate between the two deserves a short mention. Here's an article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2012/dec/07/donald-trump-alan-sugar-twitter-fight (cross-posted from Talk:The_Apprentice_(UK_TV_series)#Trump_vs_Sugar) PizzaMan (♨♨) 11:15, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

HowTo? embed wiki math so the number of seasons stays current

I am a relatively inexperienced Wikipedian. My impression is that it is possible to keep numbers (such as "14" in the number of seasons) current with something like embedded Wiki math.

I suppose the nature of "seasons" is such that it may require manual update. In 2076, for example, it is likely that 'The Apprentice' + 'The Celebrity Apprentice' have not been on the air for many years.

Lynn (talk) 13:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Ongoing discussion about lead picture at [[Donald Trump]]

You are invited to participate in an ongoing talk-page discussion about the lead picture at Donald Trump. --Dervorguilla (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Similar Shows

Why is there a list of similar shows at the end? Seems so random. Supergahd (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Consistent style

I've started a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television on whether we should have a consistent style for naming participants in reality/competition shows. Your input would be welcome. Hzh (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

:The discussion to make it a consistent is carried into here Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television/August 2016 updates/Cast and characters section#Names for reality/competition shows participants. As it may affect how the names of the contestants and judges should be used in articles on The Apprentice, your opinion would be welcome.

Series apprentice in other countries

Should this article be headed by a caption saying "For the Apprentice in other countries, go to Apprentice?Vorbee (talk) 22:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

add "The Apprentice: White House" ?

  • https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-and-apprentice-creator-mark-burnett-are-discussing-their-next-tv-show

X1\ (talk) 23:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

::Seems completely fair to include, as long as it was indicated it was just an idea that didn't end up anywhere. --Masem (t) 01:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Should Trump impeachment be included?

There has been edit warring over inclusion of the silly meme "Donald Trump became both the first producer and first host of The Apprentice to be impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives." No references have been adduced to demonstrate relevance to this page. Since Trump's dual roles in The Apprentice had nothing to do with his being impeached, this is merely a transparent attempt to further embarrass the president. I believe inclusion would succeed only in discrediting Wikipedia. NedFausa (talk) 02:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

:No, this is trolls vandalizing the article, and other articles about Trump but unrelated to his presidency. Apparently, the idea of doing such vandalism has gotten fame on Reddit. and encouraging more. --Masem (t) 02:42, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Entire Article Needs Reworked

This Entire Article Needs Reworked.

The majority reads like a political hit piece.

Please, look at motivations before writing.

This is a reason WikiPedia struggles with traction and financial consistency. TruthIsHer (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

:@TruthIsHer I agree the article needs to be reworked. Per Wikipedia:CSECTION the "Controversy" section should be combined into "History". The Murdoch section is out of place. I will change it a little bit, but can't rewrite it all. Maybe some others can help. Commander Keane (talk) 23:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2025

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:14, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

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– The original TV series is the primary topic. It is what the current President of the United States was arguably best known for before his political career, and it is the source material for the handful of lesser-known and less notable international versions that comprise the franchise (which currently occupies the undisambiguated title). In addition to long-term significance (WP:PT2), the original series has consistently [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=The_Apprentice{{!}}The_Apprentice_(American_TV_series){{!}}The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series) received higher pageviews], indicating persistently greater public interest (WP:PT1). Note that this page was previously titled {{-r|The Apprentice (U.S. TV series)|The Apprentice (U.S. TV series)}} until 2019.

No other complete-title matches on Apprentice (disambiguation) are serious contenders for the primary topic. Although there has been a recent spike in pageviews for The Apprentice (2024 film), a biopic about Trump whose title is a reference to the original TV series, this phenomenon is a standard case of WP:RECENTISM and can be safely dismissed. Rarely do derived or inspired works surpass the original in terms of long-term notability—this is true for both the film and the franchise—and even if this happens with the film (unlikely, given that it lost both of its Oscars and people seem reluctant to promote the film), it is far too early for us to make that judgment call. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose and would in fact suggest moving the disambiguation page as the primary target. Nom places too much weight on the US version when that wasn't even the original version (contrast with things like Survivor or Amazing Race and even there the franchise is the target article). The current situation with the franchise as the target is what makes sense though now with the film, it may make sense to simply have the link page as the main target. Masem (t) 19:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • :It {{em|is}} the original version. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • ::Oops, I though the UK version predated it since it was created by a British guy. That said the reasoning as applied to other shows that are international franchises still applies, even if one version would likely be the most popular. It would have to be the case that other international versions were almost unheard of to give one version the most credit, but I know the UK version was a significantly well known show. Masem (t) 21:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • :::The British version is notable, but there is no indication that it has surpassed the original. It is certainly not the norm for a franchise or adaptation to take over an original work as the primary topic even if they become nearly as notable, e.g. The Matrix, Barbie, Toy Story, Spider-Man, The Sound of Music, etc. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • ::::Almost none of those examples are television shows (and Spider-Man is about the character;The Amazing Spider-Man is the article for the original comics). Better comparisons would be with other international television show franchises. Ham II (talk) 21:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
  • ::::Even acknowledging the US version is likely more well known, we are probably talking only to a small degree and not to the magnitudes higher recognition that I'd expect to make it primary. And as noted the standard practice with tv shows with international versions us to have the franchise page as the primary target. Masem (t) 22:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose The British version is as well-known in the UK as the US version is in that country. I am sure the same is true of many of the other national versions. Rafts of Calm (talk) 22:56, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose not the primary topic in this case. – Meena • 21:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose moving The Apprentice (American TV series) and maybe consider the disambiguation as the primary topic. --woodensuperman 10:14, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
  • :(I will post here without a bullet if that is ok, I am having Edit recovery issues outside of DiscussionTools.) I would tend to favour disambiguation as primary topic too (moving The Apprentice to The Apprentice (franchise)) as it will provide the least path of resistance for most readers. The dab page starts with TV anyway so it could be rewritten as:
  • :{{Bq|---Television---
  • :*The Apprentice (franchise), a global reality TV series including a list of local, regional and global titles
  • :**The Apprentice (American TV series), the original series, hosted by Donald Trump}}
  • :So oppose proposed move, and consider the disambiguation page as the primary topic. Commander Keane (talk) 11:50, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The British version has run longer, is still running and is much better-known in the UK. Many people in the UK don't even realise that it started in the US. This is probably also the case with versions from other countries. No primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.