Talk:Trans woman#Grouping the sources in Talk:Trans woman/Definitions

Could this article do with more, or a wider variety of, photographs? Thanuhrei (talk) 03:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:I agree some more well chosen pictures wouldn't hurt. Only four seems inadequate. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I added three images in the Terminology section that seemed tasteful & appropriate. It might be a bit much in one spot, though. I'm still thinking on where would be good places to add a few more. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• In a similar note, I'm curious what people think of the header image and its recency. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/MissTransGlobal&ilshowall=1 Miss Trans Global] shares images on commons every year, and I'm curious if there's a justification to switch to the 2024 winner, the 2023 winner (a better photo) or other more recent representation. It appears they give consistent broad public domain dedications [https://misstransglobal.com/permission-to-use-our-content/ on their website] and using a pageant winner seems reasonable generally, just wondering if the recency matters at all/if there are preferences. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Hmm, I think it's an interesting idea to consider updating the image every year to show the most recent Miss Trans Global winner. I'm not entirely sold on that, but there's definitely some merit to the idea. FWIW, I like the 2023 winner photo the best out of all three (the current one and the two you provided). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
• :I really like the 2023 photo. The 2024 photo seems too busy to me (she's sitting on a ladder in front of some bleachers). The current 2020 photo is IMO fine (I prefer it to 2024) but I honestly wouldn't mind if it were cropped in a little to match the 2023 photo. Loki (talk) 17:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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• ::I'd like to raise the possibility of getting a picture of Alex Consani on this page. Having a trans woman win model of the year makes her, arguably very important to include a picture of. Snokalok (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Replacing the lead image or as an additional one elsewhere in the article? Anyway, I'm not sure about this. For a start, is there even an image that we can use? The Alex Consani article doesn't have one. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Replacing the lead, ideally. It seems like Model of the Year would be a better lead image than Miss Trans Global Snokalok (talk) 12:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::::We can get an editorial license for one off Alamy, I think this one would look really nice.[https://www.alamy.com/new-york-usa-28th-oct-2024-alex-consani-walking-on-the-red-carpet-at-the-2024-cfda-fashion-awards-held-at-the-american-museum-of-natural-history-in-new-york-ny-on-october-28-2024-photo-by-anthony-beharsipa-usa-credit-sipa-usaalamy-live-news-image628215341.html?imageid=AD2DC79D-A983-4CF6-BAA4-3151896FE3DD&p=1219465&pn=2&searchId=e817d0df291cd62439cb7a28f122f91b&searchtype=0] Snokalok (talk) 12:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::As far as I'm aware, Alamy does not have any compatibly licensed options. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Lol? Imagine going to the article talk page for “woman” and suggesting that the images used to represent women should be ones of pageant winners and runway models. 49.185.199.22 (talk) 12:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Yes, why would we ever use the person who won the "Best person in the world at getting their picture taken" award to update our photo representing the minority group they're a part of? Truly madness. Snokalok (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ignoring the troll, we do need to make sure that the images are representative. That means not overdoing the glamorous ones. Replacing the lead image would be fine but let's not use that suggested image. That dress would definitely be a problem in this specific context due to the repeated hand motif. We don't want the lead image on the article about trans women to be a bunch of hands all over a trans woman's body. Is there an alternative? Separate from the lead image, I'd like the article to include a few more pictures of trans women of achievement such as politicians, writers, business people etc. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I agree with DanielRigal. I don't think that the lead image really needs replacing.

::::The reason the lead is currently a beauty pageant winner isn't because the lead image needs to be the prettiest trans woman out there, far from it. The point if anything (besides that just being a good professional-quality photo) is to avoid stereotypical portrayals of trans women as ugly or mannish. We don't have to even pick a beauty pageant winner at all.

::::I don't have an objection to putting a picture of Consani somewhere on the page if we can find a freely licensed one. Loki (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

What if the trans woman was not assigned male at birth but still is male to female? Are they actually a trans woman? 192.24.149.15 (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's not clear what you mean by "not AMAB but still MtF". –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 13:17, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::Maybe guevedoces? Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

The legal status of self-identification as a woman is conspicuous by its absence. This would seem to be a major omission. Many countries have a legal position. E.g. UK law defines a woman as a biological women 148.252.128.242 (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:None of that is specific to trans women. The rights issues affect all trans people and the specific weird situation in the UK (where the Supreme Court made up its own vague and ambiguous redefinitions of man and woman without any basis in actual legislation) affects everybody in the UK, it's just that most of us haven't realised it yet.

:Anyway, adding coverage of all that stuff here would be duplicative because it's all in other articles. It's easy to find them from this article. If you look in the big box headed "Part of a series on Transgender topics" and find the "Rights and legal status" section then you will see links to the articles about all these topics. They can also be found via the "Discrimination" section. It's all right there for anybody who wants to know more about these topics. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:58, 27 June 2025 (UTC)