Talk:Trump Always Chickens Out

Thanks to @Silver seren for these, rescued from the (currently ongoing) AFD discussion:

• [https://archive.is/N3kbT Taco Monday: a big relief, but] - Financial Times (May 12th)
• [https://archive.is/6vK1Q The ‘Taco’ factor has spurred markets higher] - Financial Times (May 17th)
• [https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/the-taco-trade-and-whether-to-take-a-bite-or-resist-20250518-p5m04w The ‘Taco’ trade, and whether to take a bite or resist] - Australian Financial Review (May 18th)
• [https://www.thepost.co.nz/business/360702237/tariffs-round-ii-game-theory-or-taco-trump-always-chickens-out-time Tariffs round II: ‘Game theory’ or ‘TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out) time’?] - The Post (May 25th)
• [https://switzer.com.au/the-experts/peter-switzer/is-trump-about-to-slug-our-superannuation-again/ Is Trump about to slug our superannuation again?] - Switzer Daily (May 26th)
• [https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/at-debt-s-door-america-s-superpower-is-waning-and-trump-s-part-of-the-problem-20250526-p5m2a7.html At debt’s door: US superpower is waning and Trump’s part of the problem] - Sydney Morning Herald (May 27th)
• [https://switzer.com.au/the-experts/peter-switzer/will-this-us-presidents-tariff-big-game-rock-markets-again/ Will Trump's tariff game rock markets again? We might be okay] - Switzer Daily (May 27th)

Feel free to add more sources that might be relevant here. —Locke Cole • t • c 01:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Noticed this while looking for something else on CNN.com, it was linked from their home page via a link with the text "Analysis: Trump’s Iran hesitation draws praise and TACO criticism" today:

:* {{cite web |last=Collinson |first=Stephen |date=June 20, 2025 |title=Why Trump’s two-week pause on Iran makes sense — and why it may not work |url=https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/20/politics/trump-iran-two-week-pause-analysis |website=CNN.com |location= |publisher=CNN |access-date=2025-06-20 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250620144516/https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/20/politics/trump-iran-two-week-pause-analysis |archive-date=2025-06-20 |quote=It didn’t take long for Trump critics to fill social media with new sightings of TACO (“Trump always chickens out”) syndrome. But Trump, for once, is operating in the real world and not the online one. No one knows what would happen if the US bombed Iran. The lives of US service personnel would be on the line. And geopolitical shockwaves could cause a regional war, an Iranian civil war, or a wave of reprisals from Tehran.}}

:—Locke Cole • t • c 15:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

defo will do a German Version of it asap. Einfach zu geil!

Dont know how this should not be relevant as longi as MAGA is... 213.55.237.127 (talk) 15:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

In https://mas.to/@SmudgeTheInsultCat/114597288937331099, this is extended: they claim White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt was newly nicknamed "TACO Belle". Wilfriedklaebe (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:In theory, investors and tariff negotiating countries hope and encourage him to make concessions,[https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/09/business/trump-tariffs-markets-taco 1] but Trump's opponents do not want him to get political dividends by making concessions, so they invented this term for this anticipatory psychology to hit him on both sides. Cbls1911 (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Are we really putting AI-generated images in Wikipedia articles now? Anything using or associated with AI-generated images can be classified as AI slop.

A simple picture of a taco would fit better. Plus, even if the image and other variations of it are circulating social media, having Trump dressed in a chicken costume with tacos in front of him comes across as childish and weird and reserves no right on an encyclopedia meant for producing information. Cavdan2024 (talk) 16:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:The image is an example of the memes floating around the net. And a good one too. So what's your problem wit it? --Denniss (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Although I wouldn't want us to casually use an AI image to show something factual, that's not what's going on here. No one is going to be misled into thinking that this is actually what Trump looks like or how he dresses. It is very obviously a joke or satire. And, in a section of the page that is about the memes that were generated as part of the subject of the page, it shows a representative example of such a meme. Wikipedia is very properly looking critically at the risks of using AI-generated content, but that should not be misused as an argument to whitewash criticism of a political figure. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::100% this. WP:AIGI is not applicable to this as the caption and section clearly deals with the memes and AI generated content around them. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:54, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:The Dems dressed up a taco truck... [https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/03/politics/video/dnc-taco-truck-trump-rnc-digvid-cprog] if a free image of that is available, that could be used. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm blanking on the template about articles receiving media coverage, but Canadian Broadcasting Corporation [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUWoJmYVBkI showed the article] (4m 55s) as an example of how much "a thing" it has become. -- Zanimum (talk) 02:38, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:Added, {{u|Zanimum}}. Silverseren^C 02:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Belbury}} your AI-image is there lol 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 03:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:::It's not "my" image, I took it from an article in the last round of press coverage. Belbury (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::::My bad 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

{{Ping|Tryptofish}} Can you please stop re-adding the lengthy tariff list from NBC? The list is not detailed and some parts of the list are just repeats of actually concise material in the article. The list mostly reads as "tariff tariff tariff tariff TARIFF" 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:This is about this edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_Always_Chickens_Out&diff=1300004306&oldid=1299903837]. I gave my reasons in the edit summary. I'd like to know what other editors here think, and if the consensus is to omit it, I have no objection. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::Ah, but the concern with the list as it's presented in this article is that it's barely detailed, not that it's "not related to TACO" as your edit summary implies 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 19:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:::My edit summary quoted directly from the source. I'm friendly to the possibility of revising the content to make it clearer what the source said, and perhaps to decrease the repetitiveness, if needed. But that doesn't require deleting it entirely.

:::And, apparently in response, you have now made this edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_Always_Chickens_Out&curid=80078823&diff=1300009055&oldid=1300004306], removing adjacent content on the basis, per your edit summary, of being "not about tariffs". However, it seems to me that the point of that content is that the "TACO" meme is about multiple issues, not restricted to tariffs, even though it originated with a focus on tariffs. In my opinion, that should be restored, too. Again, I'd like to hear from other editors. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::::I have reverted that additional removal. No reason for that to be removed. As for the original removal, if the problem is lack of detail included, then the solution would be to include more detail, not remove the content altogether. Silverseren^C 20:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::But the example section is rather long, adding a detailed sentence, although it would be beneficial for the article, would make the section very very long 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::We can add additional section breaks and group things in better groupings. The overall section doesn't even need to be titled Examples. Silverseren^C 21:18, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::K 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::We should get rid of that though. The article is very clearly about Trump changing his mind on tariffs, not Trump changing his mind in general. The lede literally says {{tqq|the acronym is used to describe Trump's tendency to make reciprocal tariff threats, only to later delay them as a way to increase time for negotiations and for markets to rebound}}. 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 02:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::The reliable sources are what determines what info is included in this article and what the term means. If an RS is discussing the term in relation to literally anything, then it's due for inclusion in this article. The sources primarily focus on the term in relation to tariffs, which is why that is the most prominent part of this article. But the reference for the non-tariff stuff is literally titled that the TACO term also applies to other things, which means it's explicitly due for inclusion in this article. Silverseren^C 04:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

::If the article is about how a person "always" does something, then mentioning more sourced examples is useful for showing that. I don't think the paragraph should repeat examples that already appear elsewhere in the section, though. Belbury (talk) 07:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)