Talk:Ubuntu#Requested move

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https://ubuntu.com/

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/03/ubuntu-has-a-brand-new-logo

Not updating the logo yet, as neither the home page nor the brand guidelines have been updated.

https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo/

Leaving this here for the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:ce:6f13:c400:92e:440b:1ad3:a84e (talk)

So the experiment has been running for a bit now, here's the graph:

• [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Ubuntu_(philosophy,_linked_from_hatnote)|Ubuntu_(philosophy,_linked_from_Ubuntu_article_text) daily page views (latest 90)]

It's interesting how there's no major preference for the hatnote so far. --Joy (talk) 15:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

:With all that oscillation, it seems too early to conclude anything. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

::Of course, that's why nobody's making any conclusions :) only in December does it become possible to correlate the clickstreams and the redirect page views for a whole month of November. --Joy (talk) 09:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Now we can see a [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2024-09&end=2025-04&pages=Ubuntu_(philosophy,_linked_from_hatnote)|Ubuntu_(philosophy,_linked_from_Ubuntu_article_text) monthly views graph for the statistical redirects]. The ratios for the two months are 541 : 317 and 578 : 306, so 1.7x and 1.9x in favor of the hatnote, and the totals are 858 and 884.

The clickstreams, on the other hand, are showing 919 and 994 identifiable clicks from here to the philosophy article.

Does that mean 61 and 110 people came here and then used another method (like search) to get to philosophy? --Joy (talk) 11:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

: To summarize my earlier chat with @Tiggerjay here, we also have some other data points:

:* [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F03x5qm,%2Fm%2F01py9r Google Trends] show the trend for philosophy to be consistently much lower than the one for the OS, so as far as we can trust their system to be internally consistent, that's a relevant comparison

:* Google Trends is actually showing that the simple search of "ubuntu" is clearly the most popular one identified with both topics, which may also be relevant

: Because the two meanings are interconnected, it's going to be very hard to figure out whether it makes sense to change navigation.

: The latest modest experiment with redirects is also inconclusive - it shows most people who choose philosophy to be picking the hatnote, but not by a large enough margin to be clear. Yet we also observe that minority of readers who come to the Ubuntu article and then seemingly abandon our navigation links in favor of search again.

: We do not have any clear criteria about how large either of these reader contingents has to be in order to trigger navigation changes to try to measure or accommodate.

: --Joy (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

::Meanwhile, the Ubuntu philosophy page has a monthly average of ~26000 views. ~1000 is too small of a portion of the philosophy page's views to claim most readers want to see that page, especially when you subtract the ~300 clicks from article text, which seem more motivated by curiosity. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:44, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:::The problem is that you can't make that conclusion, because most of our navigation is pre-filtered by search engines. For example, we know that [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Ubuntu Ubuntu] gets 25k views a month from them, and probably more from the 8k empty referer contingent as well. This might merely mean that these various methods of pre-filtering miss for ~700 people a month. (Likewise, [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Ubuntu_philosophy Ubuntu philosophy] gets 12k views a month from them, and probably more from the 4k empty referer contingent.) --Joy (talk) 15:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:if you are going to start a move discussion, my advise is to start it at the Ubuntu philosophy, as starting the discussion here means the majority of the participates will be people with interest in the software, and you will be limited when it comes to notify Africa, South Africa or Philosophy projects. The move discussions on this page embody everything that is mentioned here and participants will wear it as a badge of honour.

:In all honesty, how can a software named/inspired by the philosophy (which still well known) be the primary topic! FuzzyMagma (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::As the guideline says, historical age and being the original source of the name are not determinative. If you want a discussion to be representative, please refer to WP:APPNOTE. --Joy (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

In March 2024, per [https://canonical.com/blog/canonical-expands-long-term-support-to-12-years-starting-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts this press release], Canonical started selling a Long Term Support add-on that extends the life of security and support coverage to 12 years. Should that be included in the release table? If so, how should it be presented? —C.Fred (talk) 18:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Sure? I don't see why not. Just format it exactly like the ESM column. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

The summary box is missing the current LTS release (24.04 LTS Noble Numbat). I don't know how to fix this using Wikidata, but it should be fixed by somebody who knows. Thanks. MGeog2022 (talk) 12:32, 19 April 2025 (UTC)