Talk:White pride#Removal of Helms and American Renaissance cites

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Replace the first line of White pride to read similarly with a positive tone as Black pride does “Black pride is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their African heritage.”

“White pride is a movement which encourages white people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their European heritage.

Why can’t this be a positive tone?????? Jsonbourne123 (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:Because it's used in society primarily by white supremacists, as a means of bigotry. Read the FAQ at the top of this page. Acroterion (talk) 10:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::do you have any sources to back up your opinion? this is just your biased opinion it is not fact. there is no way to accurately verify you baseless claims. 73.37.153.78 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:::There's an entire, sourced encyclopedia article that's been written for you. And read the FAQ. Acroterion (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

My latest edit was cancelled because, in my reasoning I mentioned social media. I don't believe that's a good reason. I believe this article is racist in a term that it discriminates over colour. Especially considering black and Asian pride are friendly. While here white pride is directly linked towards extreme right. As a white man who isn't neonazi, who isn't even racist. I was shocked this page exists like this. The edits I made weren't based off an social media post. The reason I saw this article is social media. I believe it should be edited to represent a more friendly approach. Because I am white, and I'm proud that I'm white. But I don't glorify any racism nor fascism. I suggest my old edit will be returned as it's a neutral approach. Dingspil Drenter (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

:Read the FAQ at the top of this page. The term is used by white supremacists, not as a neutral expression of ethnic pride. A close analogy is the appropriation by the Nazis of the swastika, a Hindu good-luck symbol, turning it into a symbol of hate. We document what is, not what should be. If you can find sources in reliable media that use the term in a positive sense, please present them here. Acroterion (talk) 12:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

::Yes you are right but many people don’t think this way anymore. I am sure to agree that many neo-nazi’s/xenophobes abused and are using this word, but on the other hand there are many people, like me who also feel pride in their own ‘white’ culture. The fact that feeling or sharing this pride is “racist” or “being a nazi” is not really acceptable. Same with BLM for example, many people mean it but you also have an ultra side that are… well yeah racist to white people. Mdweetje (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

This phrase, despite the similarity, has a completely different history and manifestation from white pride. everything here covers white pride so it would basically amount to writing a whole new article but this is quite misleading. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

{{archive top|See the FAQ at the top of this page or at Talk:White pride/FAQ}}

This article shows a very clear bias against the White race and is simply very 'Anti-White' by its wording. I do not ask for making it sound positive, but at least neutral. Eg: “White Pride” refers to an expression of pride in being white or of European descent. In principle, it parallels other “pride” movements (e.g., Black Pride, Gay Pride, Asian Pride) in affirming one’s racial or cultural background. It acknowledges European ancestry, linguistic heritage, and shared traditions.

And just because the word has been used in the past along side 'White Power' by white supremacist groups does not mean an average White person is racist, this article literally stigmatizes the word 'White Pride'.

Wikipedia is known for its unbiased and reliable source of info, and right now pages like this are an agent to promote hate against White people and raise Anti-White ideology not just among people from other races against Whites but among Whites themselves. Many white people are 'ashamed' of being White and believe it or not face racism by not just their own race but other races too. There has also been several chants for 'White Genocide' and 'erase white race'.

Whites are being oppressed for what a small group of people are doing and because of their history and this page only serves to promote the 'White Guilt'. If you want to talk about White Supremacy and 'White Power' Slogan (which is the slogan that is actually more commonly used by white supremacists) make a different page, but please keep this page about explaining and describing the feeling of pride in being white and celebrating white heritage and white culture, and showing what the white culture has to offer, the origins of European decedents and so on. NanoByte9 (talk) 06:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Provide me a example of white people being oppresss in a systemic way 73.43.43.206 (talk) 05:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::See Talk:White pride/FAQ. Please do not encourage a general discussion about the topic. This is talk page specifically for discussing how to improve this article based on published, reliable sources. Grayfell (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

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