Talk:Women in Japan

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I have reason to belive that this is plagerized from the libary of congress i.e. the artical Gender Stratification and the Lives of Women under country studies for Japan. This article is currently located at http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?cstdy:3:./temp/~frd_2aPD::

but due to the fact that it is a temporary website it is subject to change.

Insert31990 12:01, 5 December 2007 (PST)

I definitely think the contents of "Working Women in Japan" should be added to this page. There is not much in the "Working Women in Japan" page and it simply makes sense to add it to this page. Whats up skip 03:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree Rupa zero 10:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support merge. As long as merged article is Women in Japan. --Knulclunk 20:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Should this article be renamed to History of women in Japan.

It primarily presents a summary/timeline of female gender in Japanese society through history, with a final summary of the current status. This is a history article.

A modern-day article could be spun off at a later point.--ZayZayEM (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and this article reads like an essay. It requires multiple citations to verify points, and needs to be more of a description, and less of a discussion (it can describe discussions on the topic, preferrably multiple and indepndent ones) to be considered encyclopedic.--ZayZayEM (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Some of the contents of section Education and workforce participation sound quite partial towards the status quo.

In particular, I am referring to Many women find satisfaction in family life and in the accomplishments of their children, gaining a sense of fulfilment from doing good jobs as household managers and mothers.

I suggest to reword this to something like Women are pressured by society to only find their fulfilment and satisfaction in the accomplishments of their children and their job as household managers and mothers. Davide.tassinari (talk) 10:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The earliest version of this page appears to be virtually identical to [http://countrystudies.us/japan/73.htm this content] from Country Studies US. The top page of that site is marked "Copyright © 2003 - 2010 Country Studies US," meaning this page is in all likelihood a violation of that site's copyright or that of the the publisher of the associated book. Cnilep (talk) 17:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:Wikipedia policy on the Library of Congress series of country studies can be found at Wikipedia:Library of Congress Country Studies. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry, my addition below edit conflicted with your addition. To be clear; our policy is to accept the PD status of the work that this page was based on? Kuru (talk) 23:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Correct. Our policy in regard to the Library of Congress Country Studies has been that it is created by the Library of Congress and it is in the public domain. Around 860 pages use the text. However, this page failed to include the required template:loc for proper attribution. I have now added it. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 00:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

::::It appears that tag was removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Japan&action=historysubmit&diff=378853420&oldid=369247314 here] a few months ago in a large edit which has lead to the confusion here. Glad it is resolved. Kuru (talk) 02:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:Looking at the root page of that site (http://countrystudies.us/), it states "This website contains the on-line versions of books previously published in hard copy by the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress as part of the Country Studies/Area Handbook Series sponsored by the U.S. Department of the Army between 1986 and 1998.". The original version of the page ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Japan&oldid=22741219 here]) has a tag at the end claiming this is public domain. My understanding was that works created by the federal government are indeed PD, but I must stress this is not my area of expertise. How is that site claiming copyright? Kuru (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I was just looking at WP:PDR and there's a section that mentions that such articles may not be "in themselves good encyclopedia articles". Although it's not copyvio and it's not plagiarism per se, it is still copypaste. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of a Wikipedia article having whole sections just chopped from articles. And actually, I just found some more interesting tidbits:

• The first three paragraphs ("Gender has...", "After WW2...", "Gender inequality...") are straight copies from the Country Studies.
• The next paragraph ("With deep-rooted...") seems to be a rather close rendition of [http://books.google.com/books?id=tYpiNCTgn2gC&pg=PA64&dq=With+deep-rooted+work+practices+and+social+customs,+which+are+part+of+normal+corporate+life&hl=en&ei=MPSKTOvaJ4L48AatycCBCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=With%20deep-rooted%20work%20practices%20and%20social%20customs%2C%20which%20are%20part%20of%20normal%20corporate%20life&f=false this book].
• The paragraph after it ("The percentage of...") seems to be a direct match from [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OIH&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=the+percent+of+part-time+employees+among+female+employees+increased+from+29.2+percent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=sp Japan labor bulletin: Volume 39].
• The second paragraph under Working women in Japan ("Japanese women are joining...") is a rip from [http://countrystudies.us/japan/104.htm another Country Studies] paper.
• The entire Japanese Equal Employment Opportunity Law section is pulled from [http://www.zcommunications.org/equal-opportunity-for-japanese-women-what-progress-by-charles-weathers.pdf Equal Opportunity for Japanese Women -- What Progress?], written by some guy. The paper is referenced at the bottom, but not inline, and it's a straight copy.

I don't know how you guys want to handle this page; this is just what I've been able to determine. I'm pretty sure it shouldn't stay in its current form, though... — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:Hm, well that's a confusing copyright notice. The [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cs_faqs.html Country Studies FAQ] says all text is public domain, but the page I noted above has a dated claim of copyright.

:Whatever the case with copyright, it's tantamount to plagiarism, and the bits noted by HelloAnnyong may be copyright violations or additional plagiarism. In either case, I think that the page should be rewritten. Cnilep (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

::Whoops, I should have checked the old history. HelloAnnyong is correct. There was a large amount of copy-pasted text added on August 14 2010. Although the editor attributed it to the source, it is still an improper copy-pasting of copyrighted text from those various sources. I have restored the article to the date prior to that addition.

::As far as the original article goes -- it was created properly -- with the initial copypaste of PD text [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Japan&oldid=22741219 here] and correctly attributed in both the edit summary and with the loc template. That fulfills our requirements for copying public domain. However, it is suggested that the PD text then be edited to meet our other guidelines -- that is, to make it more encyclopedic. (There is a better explanation at Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public domain sources.) — CactusWriter ^(talk) 17:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I dumped the Library of Congress text in 2005. At that time, Wikipedia had significant gaps in all areas concerning Japan. Pretty much every piece from there was a new article, all in all about 300. It was a quick way to provide WP with properly researched, if partly outdated material. All these articles now had 5 years to mature. If an article still contains original text from that source, it means that in 5 years nobody came up with a better version. I take that as an indicator of quality. --Mkill (talk) 05:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI, I removed {{tl|Women in society}} as the thrust of the navbox is sociological where this article appears to be more geographically / anthopologically oriented. ClaretAsh 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I am removing the line about 'career woman' being the equivalent of salaryman. It is not. Career woman carries with it far different ideas. She is successful, and not necessarily getting a salary (she may be self-employed or own a company). A salaryman means a man working for a company and has a strong overtone of not being particularly successful. 91.125.55.128 (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Anyone familiar with this problem:

In Japan, a woman takes her husband's family when she marries. This means (as an example) that when Jane (whose mother is Elizabeth) marries John (whose mother is Ellen,) Ellen becomes the mother of both Jane and John. I always thought that this rule of defining one's family was traditionally proper in Japan (although it never was in the United States,) but I don't know if any Wikipedia article mentions this (this statement relates to improving Wikipedia mentioning info related to the above statement, so it doesn't violate NOTAFORUM.) Does any Wikipedia article mention a statement similar to the above?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems that this article is disproportionately Westernized, and also sort of fetishized, with its unusual heavy focus on Geisha, sex work, and beauty standards. While these aren't irrelevant, I would like to expand this article to incorporate aspects such as divorce, child-rearing, education, and social roles. I just want to flag that I'd like to work to take this article in that direction. Owlsmcgee (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

:I agree with you entirely. Rewriting the articles relating to marriage in Japan is on my "to do" list, so hopefully those articles will tie in together with this one. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

::I've just added some marriage and divorce sections, maybe you can pull from them for your articles as well! Owlsmcgee (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

:::I love what you've done and I promise I will hold up my end of the bargain... one day. But for now, I'm going to be bold and remove the "sex industry" section from this article for the simple reason that, despite the attempt in the first sentence to link it to women, the section is about the sex industry. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 03:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

There's a lot of research about Japanese beauty standards, and I suspect it could form the basis of its own article. The references I'm including in this section are just the tip of the iceberg in academic research. Owlsmcgee (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

What does "Resilient traditional expectations" mean? -- I don't understand this sentence. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC){{small|please ping me}}

:: Expectations on women from traditional times that are still around today, ie, persistent, or enduring. It would seem to refer to the roles of women such as raising children, domestic duties, and not working, etc. I'll change it to clairfy, assuming no objections. Owlsmcgee (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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Add "support their husbands to work without any worries about family" in the first paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junyi.zhu (talk • contribs) 06:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Add "With the development of society, more and more girls go to colleges to receive higher education". at the beginning of the first paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junyi.zhu (talk • contribs) 06:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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{{ping|RFenergy}} In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Japan&type=revision&diff=977727632&oldid=977226842&diffmode=source this revert] the claim is made that the term "three submissions" does not appear anywhere in the source. That exact phrase does appear in Cooper (2013). I don't know why you were unable to find it. It is on page 6: "There is a teaching in Japan that women should obey the “three submissions” rule". -- Whpq (talk) 00:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

: It has been 2 weeks with no response. I will restore the edit. -- Whpq (talk) 01:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Some images should be removed or relocated to abide by this policy. I'm hesitant to remove any because some of them are quite nice images, but letting others know this issue exists. toobigtokale (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

In modern Japan, in comparison to much of the developed world, it is still relatively too unequal overall for women. It has improved over time but still faces significant challenges. Despite advancements in education and workforce participation, gender inequality remains a concern. Japan today ranks relatively low among developed nations in terms of gender equality, as seen in the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap Report. Yet the current article first paragraph starts off as if it's a Japanese nationalistic propaganda spin piece that makes it seem like men and women are equal in Japan and cuts out the less positive realities. Also lower paragraphs have whitewash examples that spins stuff like income gap between men and women has steadily narrowed despite it's technically true but hides the fact that a significant gender wage gap still exists. And according to recent data, women in Japan typically earn less than men, with the gap being particularly pronounced in leadership and high-paying roles. 49.180.249.36 (talk) 13:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:Instead of just saying the income gap has steadily narrowed. I have added in that it's not disappeared and included 3 sources and details further describing the recent status of the income gap. Instead of just letting it end and making it appear the income gap is probably too insignificant to mention, which is just wrong and not impartial. I have however retained the pre-existing added policies and its nuanced realities, because I find them useful to know. 49.180.249.36 (talk) 13:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)