Talk:WonderSwan#To Hounder4 and any other try to revert correction

Added redirect from SwanCrystal. Consider moving this page there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pellucidity (talk • contribs)

A request was made to WP:VG/A for an assessment. I've left the rating as is; stub-class mid importance, as the article has several problems despite its short length. Some suggestions:

• Only the GamePro source is reliable, the other two are user-contributed and cannot be used as sources.
• The article is already marked for original research in one place, there's also some weasel words.
• It needs expanding, and some good sources are going to be needed to do that.

Hope that helps. Someoneanother 22:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Um . . . picture anyone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeloow (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Why on earth does the thing request bloodtype? 86.132.141.215 03:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

:How else will it tell you your horoscope? ;) Jtrainor 00:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

::Touche.Tejsiofjdoij (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

:::In addition, blood types play a special role in Japanese culture, and the WonderSwan was developed by Bandai. See Blood types in Japanese culture for further details. 88.104.151.185 (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I played the WSC port of Final Fantasy IV and realized that the sounds were primitive compared to the original SNES, almost 8-bit sounding. 75.107.170.147 (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Might as well merge the two articles since there is only one or two sentences to describe the wonderborg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.223.11.12 (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

When did it go OUT of production? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 08:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

How much did it cost? 88.68.210.111 (talk) 21:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't it a fifth generation console? WonderSwam Color is indeed a sixth generation one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.171.212 (talk) 22:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

;K-tai Impress

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• [http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/20000811/wonder04.htm Wonderborg]
• [http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/20000830/bandai.htm Wonderswan color]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20001209/bandai03.htm Wonderswan color]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/755.html Wonderswan color]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/105.html Wonderswan color]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/6933.html Wonderswan color]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20001211/bandai.htm Wonderswan color]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20001209/bandai01.htm Wonderswan color]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20010331/bandai.htm Wonderswan color]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20011225/ws.htm Wonderswan color games list]

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• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/event/1120.html Wonderwave]
• [http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/20000925/tgs02.htm Wonderwave]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/review/3287.html Wonderwave]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/19998.html WonderGate]
• [http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/static/review/2000/08/04/wonderg.htm WonderGate]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20030218/bandai.htm SwanCrystal]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20020508/wsc.htm SwanCrystal]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20020509/tgs2.htm SwanCrystal]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20020924/swanc.htm SwanCrystal]
• [http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20010403/bandai.htm MP3 accesory]

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;Famitsu

• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/special/2001/02/08/2000_n_hyo03.html Wonderswan - Wonderswan Color]
• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/special/2000/09/tgs2000/d22/n28.html Wonderswan Color]
• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/info/1137113_1113.html SwanCrystal]
• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2002/10/16/103,1034744167,8232,0,0.html SwanCrystal]
• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/serial/2003/03/07/364,1047015949,11347,0,0.html Wonderswan - Wonderswan Color - SwanCrystal - Wonderwitch]

-- Lucia Black (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

;Bundles

• [http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/143000134001.html Wonderswan no Fushigi na Dungeon - Chocobo]
• [http://www.bandai.co.jp/catalog/item/4902425781068000.html Wonderswan Color - Final Fantasy I]
• [http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/143000136001.html Wonderswan Color - Final Fantasy II]
• [http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20010615/bandai.htm Wonderswan Color - RX-78-2 GUNDAM and MS-06S ZAKU II]
• [http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/143001026000.html Wonderswan Color - MSVG]

;Launch Titles:

• [http://www.famitsu.com/game/nowon/ws/200012.html WonderSwan Color]

-- Lucia Black (talk) 08:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering on where should we start on finding information. i'm very new to looking up information on video game consoles, especially with a japanese-only console from the late 90s. I'm currently looking for any coverage in famitsu, but i'm not sure if there are other gaming Japanese game magazines that might have coverage on this. Especially when theres 3 versions, one might be considered "next-gen". Lucia Black (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

:Famitsu will definitely be helpful, although I can't read or translate Japanese. It would likely be the closest thing to a period-based source we would have access to. Retro Gamer and IGN would also be great sources, and I see we have some linked already. A big key pointer to me with referencing when doing these console articles is to milk the sources for all they're worth and use as much as possible from each. These articles also tend to have some retrospective feedback, which would assist with reception. Sales and relative market share could also be talked about here, as it reflects on a console's reception, or that info could be plugged into the end of the history with ease. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 16:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

::Sounds reasonable. I'll look into the Retro Gamer article that was given to me to see if i missed any particular information. Or perhaps i can send you the pdf. to you so that theres no chance of missing information. Lucia Black (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

:::If you've got it and can send it to me, that'd be great. I've been pretty thorough with taking everything from them before; Sega Game Gear and Sega Nomad come across to me as examples with short Retro Gamer articles that I had to use all it had. I'd like to suggest an article structure as well. In principle, I've found in video game console articles that there are four key sections to any console article:

:::*History

:::*Technical specs

:::*Game library

:::*Reception and legacy

:::Already, this article has most of that basic structure in place. It's only missing a game library and some condensation of tech specs and accessories. It's also proven tried and true for me before that such specs are better handled as prose than as tables or bulleted lists; what might your thoughts be on this, Lucia? As I know we've butted heads before, I'd like to make sure you'll be good with any major changes I'd like to make to the article's structure before I begin implementation. In this case, it's been the same structure I've used in almost all of my FAs and GAs, and it's worked quite well, and I believe will work pretty well here too. As need be as part of that, some subsections can be assembled (i.e. if there's a bunch of information on the three different models of the console, we can do a models subsection similar to Sega CD or even a full section as in Sega Genesis). Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 03:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Send me an e-mail so that i can respond back with the attached file. I'm not worried about any conflict. i did ask for help, and i'm not really trying to push for a specific direction, i just want the article to get some proper coverage.

The table was already there when i took interest in the article, but looking at some of the information repeats and not necessary to have in a table format. In fact, some of these aspects aren't even technical specifications. So if its possible to condense it in prose and comprehensible, then that would be better. I don't think we'll find too many variations of the WonderSwan, so i'll assume models subsection similar to Sega CD will work. Lucia Black (talk) 03:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

:ON a lighter note, i've seen better WonderSwan model images in other areas. I feel like this particular one doesn't do much justice. I think we should consider replacing it later on. Lucia Black (talk) 03:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

::Actually, it looks like I've found it on the internet, so I've got the Retro Gamer issue now to review. I can definitely see some potential here; the Top Ten games section will help with making a game library section and it looks like it's got a great bit of history here. I actually find this interesting because before this was suggested to me, I had never heard of the WonderSwan before. It's got some reception as well, although reception should definitely have more. I'm excited; this should actually prove to be rather fruitful. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 15:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

::Hey Lucia, I'm going to go ahead and get started. The {{tl|underconstruction}} template is up; hopefully I'll have a good looking prototype done here in a few hours. Reversions can always be done if it doesn't shake out. If you can find another free image of the WonderSwan that does it more justice, that would be great. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 17:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

::Correction: something's come up, it may take a while. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 17:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

:::I'll be looking for an image. Its ok. i'll continue to look for more info. Lucia Black (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

[http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f190/39245d1352447907-4-xx-emulators-downloads-wonderswan.png][http://thehottestgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/wonderswan.jpg][http://allgamers.fr/images/wonderswan-1.jpg][http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ok3Eq-VbL.jpg][http://jscustom.theoldcomputer.com/images/manufacturers_systems/Bandai/Wonderswan/590187wonderswan.jpg][http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/geekhistory/december/bandai-wonderswan.jpg]

--I'm not familiar with free images but hopefully one of these qualify. Lucia Black (talk) 09:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

:Probably not, I hate to say. When you take an image, you own the copyright to that image automatically, so the copyrights to these images all belong to their respective photographers. The way they would not is if the photographer released the image under a Creative Commons license, GNU license, or into the public domain, which happens rarely. That being said, it's certainly possible to contact one, obtain permission or statement of release under such a license, and upload it with a valid OTRS. Of course, if you happen to have a WonderSwan and take pictures of it yourself, you own the copyright and can then release it yourself under the appropriate license.

:On another note: I've requested access to HighBeam, which if approved should provide a wealth of period-based newspaper sources that should help in sourcing this article properly. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I know y'all were working on this recently. Here's a new USgamer feature that should be helpful: [http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-look-at-game-boys-true-successor-gunpei-yokois-wonderswan http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-look-at-game-boys-true-successor-gunpei-yokois-wonderswan] czar ♔ 18:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

:Still am as I find time; I've been on vacation and away from home the past week. Thanks for the source; I'm sure Lucia and I will put it to good use. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 18:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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The article state a the Wonderswan use NEC V20, but first it not directly a NEC chip, it is branded Bandai, and contain more than just the CPU, and the core used seems to be more a V30, maybe a V30MZ like. Godzil (talk) 09:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Before reverting changes, read the changes content.

The changes I've made yesterdays are not falling in the "not according to reliable sources" rule. I am, unfortunately, one of the few reliable source on the WonderSwan as I'm working on documenting it. The changes I've made was just simple correction of things that was wrong, and clearly "not according to reliable sources" (especially the note about storing game save in the console itself) all the rest was rewording and correction of incorrect information (like the "512KB" VRAM size, anyone that knows a bit about the WonderSwan will laught at that statement)

As for the CPU, the NEC V20 is a 8088 clone, the WonderSwan use an embedded version of the NEC V30 (a 80186 clone) and the MZ (which is a "soft" version of the NEC V30) is the closest version, there are slight differences, but it's the closest version, and it CAN'T be a NEC V20. I'm sorry that Wikipedia mixed the V20 and the V30 on the same page, but they are quite different.

Godzil (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

: Everything in the article needs to be verifiable through reliable sources (see the vetted games sources at WP:VG/RS). If you have an affiliation with the subject (a conflict of interest), I recommend drafting your proposed changes on the talk page so that others can discuss them, and if they feel they are checked and appropriate, will add the changes to the article themselves. If you proposed a change that was reverted, through the bold-revert-discuss cycle, you should talk out the proposed change on the talk page (here) before reverting back and forth. Edit warring only leads to punitive actions and doesn't actually fix the article. File:Eye close font awesome.svg czar 16:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

::{{reply to|Godzil}} As what {{reply to|Czar|p=}} has said, any information must be verifiable through reliable sources{{mdash}}that's how Wikipedia works: "verifiability, not truth". I reverted your edits because when I looked at the changes you made, it make me an impression that you did not provide sources for these changes, and they aren't given in sources such as {{URL|http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-look-at-game-boys-true-successor-gunpei-yokois-wonderswan|USgamer}} and {{URL|http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/084/084272p1.html|IGN}}. You mentioned in the edit summary that your changes are from {{Diff|WonderSwan|684386053|684254898|"the most reliable current source"|diffonly=yes}}. What reliable current source are you referring to? -- Hounder4 17:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

::: Ok; So please first try to find any reputable sources that claim what the stupidity I corrected in this article you try to enforce, and then you will see if the change I made are valid or not. I don't see why this article as it is currently has been accepted as none of the claim are true and verifiable. The WonderSwan Color have 64KB of SRAM internally and 16K for the B&W, the NEC CPU is a variant of the NEC V30 that's all. The USGamer is just citing WIKIPEDIA for the spec! It's absolutely NOT a reliable source, or you accept to have cyclic sources, you made an article with error, manage it to be quoted from a "reliable source" so the error become the truth? That a nice point of view: I'm one the few person that currently work on the WonderSwan to document it, I helped trap15 on some part of the documentation of the wonderswan (as I'm making my own) that you can find here: http://daifukkat.su/docs/wsman/ To be honest the Wikipedia Article before the major changes made a few years ago on this article was much more correct than the pseudo spec you will find now. If people working on the device are NOT reputable, I'm sorry, but no one can make any articles. All the refs cited in this article are coming from people that never try to program or knows how this device work. I'm sorry, but if you rely on journalist for accuracy, Wikipedia is just a bunch of nonsense. And for the NEC V20, the US gamer is one of the only article on the Web that state that the CPU is a NEC V20, proof that it is based on current wrong wikipedia article. Another proof? But maybe the website (In japanese) of the people that made the wonderswan is not a reputable one? CAIRO is the big brother of the ASWAN chip which is the variant used in the wonderswan: https://web.archive.org/web/20071023111112/http://www.koto.co.jp/products/mono_sp.html What can we see here? "CPU V30MZ (compatible with i80186)" I'm sorry if you are so blind to not let people update and correct SMALL mistakes on a wikipedia article without putting a ref on every possible word. If it's really like you want to work I don"t care, but wikipedia will never be a good encyclopedia at the end if you still want to work like this. And for proposing a draft? For small correction on the article? Are you kidding me ? The major changes that put all this errors has never been drafted. But also, maybe the non english version of Wikipedia are not reputable enough? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/WonderSwan_Color The German version of the WonderSwan page is much more clear than the english one, because it didn't try to put every possible bit of information in only one article, and the specs are correct there. (No in fact there is a small mistake too, but comparing to the one in the english article...) But I promise I will no longer touch this article, and let it rot where it is with all the mistake it can contain. Cheers Godzil (talk) 13:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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As with the Game Boy Color, these WonderSwan Color exclusives were clear cartridges and refuses to play if you're playing on older WonderSwan models. Dual mode carts will work with all WonderSwan models. --2601:C8:C001:9AF0:5458:BDD2:EB9C:F0E7 (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

It's not that true in fact. Some B&W games used the clear shell for some reason (like the WonderBorg cart which at IR Tx ) Generally color games use the clear case, but unlike the GB Gray (B&W), Black (B&W with color support) and clear (Color only) a lot of color game have actually a B&W mode.

Also the WonderWitch have the clear black shell, but using the latest updates support color mode, but this one is an exception. 217.156.156.69 (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

From "Also included in the handheld was built-in memory allowing players to save their game." this information exist on only one non technical article, written by people who don't know a lot about the WonderSwan itself. Can someone even list a game that would use that feature?

The problem is: there is none. And that's easy to check, no emulator support writing to the internal EEPROM, and it would be a mess as there is no filesystem or equivalent there for a game to store data.

So does someone have access to an official SDK or something a bit more meaningful than a single article to keep that false sentence in this article? --217.156.156.69 (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

:Just strip it out. That's the easiest way to handle it if it's not something that defines the article. I've already removed it; no need to necessarily try and "disprove" it. Usually with discussion, things like this can be handled. Red Phoenix ^talk 15:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• https://web.archive.org/web/20001014140725/http://www.zdnet.co.jp/gamespot/news/9906/23/news05.html

in the 'WonderSwan' article its says that its sixth gen console but in the 'fifth generation of video games consoles' article the WonderSwan is there i think someone needs to change that Justthat1guyinwiki (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)