Talk: Animation

Hello Everyone,

I modified a few spelling errors in the history section of the article and added a picture that is, public domain, of Betty Boop next to the Full animation paragraph. If I have made a mistake let me know and I will fix it. If I don't fix it myself, feel free to fix it yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpp008 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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We stumped on the french wiki page of "dessin animé", equivalent of cartoon in english, and the first inventor in both French and German pages is Emile Reynaud with "Pauvre Pierrot" in 1892. We definetly think that the historical section of the page needs major revisions, starting from considering adding this.

Thanks 2A01:CB04:2CF:D200:BD1B:D46C:16C8:8F46 (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

:On which German pages is Reynaud actually mentioned as "the first inventor"? The German page for Animation doesn't mention any inventor and doesn't even have a history section, neither does there seem to be any German article on the history of animation.

:"Dessin animé" is described as a film genre on the French page, so it makes a bit more sense to ignore all the animation before film and consider Reynaud's work as earliest examples. Imho, this doesn't look like an example that we should follow here. The French page for "Animation (audiovisuel)" is the more general page about animation and of course prominently features French pioneer Reynaud, but doesn't ignore what came before.

:Reynaud's praxinoscope is mentioned on this page and the bluelinked History of animation has his Theatre Optique and associated titles as a section of "earliest animations on film" (using the term "film" rather loosely, since Reynaud used a chain of inflexible and rather fragile gelatine plates, which is quite different from what's usually called film).

:It may be fair to mention Reynaud's contributions on this page. However, imho, the history section would probably benefit more from getting shortened into a very brief abstract of the history article, in very broad strokes, with less names and titles rather than more. Joortje1 (talk) 11:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Many animations are computer animations made with computer-generated-imagery (CGi), while traditional animation was created and drawn using a computer system via graphics tablet because of the limitations of pencil-on-paper animation and scanned drawings. JennyD44 (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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I've reverted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Animation&diff=prev&oldid=1290791425 this edit] for now because the edit caused far more problems than it created.

The Production section was written to avoid duplication of other material in Filmmaking and several other related articles.

The first problem is that User:Epp44 split up the Production section and dumped its pieces all over the History section, with no attempt to revise them into any coherent chronological sequence. The result is that the article as a whole became logically incoherent and difficult to follow. Remember the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you fix it.

The second problem is that User:Epp44 added several new paragraphs that violates WP:NOT: Wikipedia is not a textbook. Most of that material was also effectively unsourced in violation of WP:V, due to the critically incomplete source citations.

The new paragraphs are as follows:

• "Animation as a whole is a process. A long process that can be boiled down to a lengthy list of adjustable steps dependent on the type of animation being created. A general animation process begins first with preproduction. Preproduction is the very beginning of creation, putting everything out on the table to be picked at in order to narrow down exactly what the final product is meant to look like, although in any production, this is always subject to change. This includes aspects of visual aspects as well as ideas for audio concepts, scripts, storyboarding and the final product."

• "Following preproduction is the briefing step. This step is an aside from the physical product that would result from the entire creation. It includes the actions and permissions needed in order to complete this. Things like timescales, budgeting, possible technical difficulties, clients and their requirements are typically expected, followed by a few smaller, less necessary discussions in some cases. The nature of the project is always a factor, as no project is going to be the same as another."

• "The following steps work together in the mixing bowl of creating. Scripts are developed with the help of storyboards where concepts and ideas are tried and tested to figure out what works for the final product."

• "Research is conducted to add to the concept and approve the legitimacy of the information. Development is continued through storyboarding of new information in this way. This is followed up with work in musical concepts and sound quality, then allowing hands on work towards backgrounds and in-between frames before anything else solid or more focused on by the audience."

These are inappropriate in so many ways that I have no time to explain them all. The two biggest ones are as follows: First, the tone reads like a textbook in violation of WP:NOT. We have Wikibooks for that. Second, the word choices are way, way off. The result is both inaccurate and illogical. I have attended D23 four times (yes, that means I got to see over two dozen A-list celebrities in person last August) and read numerous books on animation (including On Animation based on interviews by Bill Kroyer and Tom Sito). "Briefing step"? "Mixing bowl of the creating?" That's not how experienced animators actually talk or write.

For example, I just ran "briefing step" through Google Books and the closest result that came up is that [https://books.google.com/books?id=1W74AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA133#v=onepage&q&f=false one textbook explains] that the director and head animator must conduct a briefing with each animator for every scene in the production before animation commences (to ensure everyone is on the same page as to what is desired for that scene). But that's not how the nonsense phrase "briefing step" was used above! --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)