Template:Did you know nominations/André Kisase Ngandu
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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that André Kisase Ngandu waged rebellions in the Congo, received military training in East Germany, Libya, and Uganda, earned a medical degree in West Germany, and was eventually murdered by Rwandans?(Source for rebellions in the Congo: [https://www.liberation.fr/planete/1996/11/08/zaire-mobutu-cible-des-rebelles-a-goma-le-commandant-kisase-refute-le-caractere-ethnique-de-la-rebel_189047/ Zaïre: Mobutu, cible des rebelles. A Goma, le commandant Kisase réfute le caractère ethnique de la rébellion]; source for training in East Germany and medical degree in West Germany: [https://books.google.com/books?id=UO_eDwAAQBAJ Luntumbue, Michel (2020), p. 95]; source for training in Libya: [https://books.google.com/books?id=KPVxJX6ycG8C Reyntjens, Filip (2009), p. 104]; source for training in Uganda: [https://books.google.com/books?id=plXwDwAAQBAJ Verhoeven, Harry; Roessler, Philip (2016), p. 169]; his murder by Rwandans is discussed by several references throughout the article) - ALT1:... that Congolese rebel leader André Kisase Ngandu criticised his Rwandan allies to such an extent that they probably murdered him? Source: Kisase Ngandu's murder and its reasons are discussed to a considerable extent in the article, with several references provided; [https://books.google.com/books?id=plXwDwAAQBAJ Verhoeven, Harry; Roessler, Philip (2016), p. 216], specifically say that the "most authoritative accounts" claim that Kisase Ngandu was killed by his Rwandan allies.
:* Reviewed: Catherine Downes
Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC).
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|comments = ALT0 is not approved because it says that the Rwandans definitely killed Ngandu—ALT1 is fine, but it should probably say "might have been", as well as in the article—depends on consensus of sourcing, I guess. QPQ needed. nice work!
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- {{re|theleekycauldron}} Added QPQ. All academic sources I have seen so far concur that the Rwandans killed him, but all also say that the murder was never solved, so the consensus seems to be "most probably killed by Rwandans". However, you are right that it should not just be stated like an undisputed fact. Thus I offer an alternate of ALT0 below. Applodion (talk) 09:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that André Kisase Ngandu waged rebellions in the Congo, received military training in East Germany, Libya, and Uganda, earned a medical degree in West Germany, and was probably murdered by Rwandans? (Source for rebellions in the Congo: [https://www.liberation.fr/planete/1996/11/08/zaire-mobutu-cible-des-rebelles-a-goma-le-commandant-kisase-refute-le-caractere-ethnique-de-la-rebel_189047/ Zaïre: Mobutu, cible des rebelles. A Goma, le commandant Kisase réfute le caractère ethnique de la rébellion]; source for training in East Germany and medical degree in West Germany: [https://books.google.com/books?id=UO_eDwAAQBAJ Luntumbue, Michel (2020), p. 95]; source for training in Libya: [https://books.google.com/books?id=KPVxJX6ycG8C Reyntjens, Filip (2009), p. 104]; source for training in Uganda: [https://books.google.com/books?id=plXwDwAAQBAJ Verhoeven, Harry; Roessler, Philip (2016), p. 169]; his murder by Rwandans is discussed by several references throughout the article)
:::* 16px ALTs 0a and 1 good to go, although I prefer ALT1 due to its snappiness and hookiness. nice work! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
