Template:Did you know nominations/Ram Singh II

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• ... that Maharaja Ram Singh II established the Public Works Department in Jaipur?

:* Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grünbaum–Rigby configuration

:* Comment: Feel free to suggest other hooks

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

:* Not hooky. Something, far interesting, can be sourced from the stuff about photography. ∯WBG^converse 12:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

:*16px There are some problems here. First, the hook is not cited. Second, other paragraphs in the article have no citations, and for a biography there should really be at least one per paragraph. Third, the image, which I have to say is very good, seems to show a modern copy of a 19th century work, if we follow the link on the Wikimedia page, and there is nothing to say why it is properly in the public domain. Perhaps you could trace the original and upload that? Fourth, no QPQ yet. (I could also mention that the link in the hook should be to Jaipur State, and not Jaipur, but I am taking the liberty of fixing that now.) Moonraker (talk) 12:36, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|Moonraker}} The issues have been now addressed. New hook

• ALT1: ...that most of the photographs taken by Maharaja Ram Singh II of Jaipur State depict the lives of Rajput women behind purdah, a system of seclusion practised by women? RRD (talk) 13:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

:::Thanks, {{u|Royroydeb}}, the citation problem has been fixed. ALT1 wanders away from the source, which says "a large number of the photographic portraits taken by Ram Singh depict pardayats or concubines, residents of the palace zenana—the section set aside for the seclusion of women." So you can't say "most", but "many" would be all right. Also, I am not sure what "Rajput women" means, but it isn't in your source, better to avoid that. There is no mention of purdah, but I suppose "seclusion of women" is the same thing, so that would be all right. On the other points, you would do better to stick to what the source says. I like this image, and I am hoping you can find the original, but this one will not pass muster for the Main Page. Moonraker (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

{{u|Royroydeb}}, this coloured image is of a painting that was for sale [http://www.indianminiaturepaintings.co.uk/Jaipur_Ram_Singh_II_481-9109.html here], when the copyright was claimed by a Peter Blohm. But then the painting was sold in 2017 by Christie's, see [https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/indian-art-online-painting-maharaja/portrait-maharaja-sawai-ram-singh-ii-jaipur-r-1835-1880-15/40878 here], described as "LATE 19TH/EARLY 20TH CENTURY". So this is not very hopeful, as an artist working around say 1910 may not have been dead for seventy years. You could try contacting Christie's to see if they have any copyright of their image that they could release as a Creative Commons licence for Wikimedia. Moonraker (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|Moonraker}} I have now fixed both of them.

• ALT2: ...that most of the photographs taken by Maharaja Ram Singh II of Jaipur State depict the lives of women behind purdah which is a system of seclusion practised by women? RRD (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
• 16px We are getting there. QPQ done, the article is new enough and long enough, adequately cited, and neutrally written, Earwig finds no copyvio. The ALT2 hook is cited to an online source and is interesting. Its main fault is that word "most", and as I said before the source supports "many", but not "most". It could also be pruned a little, I did not notice that "practised by women" is an opinion which could be disputed, so I suggest leaving it out. As explained before, the coloured image is not what it seems to be, but I have added the original from the 1870s, which sadly is black and white, and I see you have also added "File:Ram Singh II of Jaipur.jpg", which is another photograph from the 1870s and ought to have no copyight problem. {{u|Royroydeb}}, if you want that to be considered, it should have a suitable US licence, and maybe you could link it here. Moonraker (talk) 23:23, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Moonraker}} New license has been added.

• ALT2a: ...that many of the photographs taken by Maharaja Ram Singh II of Jaipur State (pictured) depict the lives of women behind purdah which is a system of seclusion practised by women? RRD (talk) 05:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
• 16px To avoid labouring the point again, I am taking the liberty of striking through the uncited opinion and approving what is left of ALT2a. It will be up to the DYK volunteers at later stages whether an image is approved. Moonraker (talk) 07:59, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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