Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Yungui

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... that businesses owned by Yao woman Wang Yungui lifted 12,000 people out of poverty? Source: 到2018年，金秀共脱贫3345户1.2万多人，摘帽14个贫困村，贫困发生率降至2.496%。[translation: "By 2018, Jinxiu had lifted 3,345 households and more than 12,000 people out of poverty, and 14 poor villages were lifted out of poverty, with the poverty incidence rate dropping to 2.496%."] https://v.gxnews.com.cn/a/19780677
ALT1: ... that to promote her speciality foods business Yao woman Wang Yungui streamed content in traditional costume? Source: "... 2016, she set up a tea processing plant with an annual capacity of 1,500 kilograms. She began livestreaming to publicize tea picking and making in Liuduan. The traditional Yao costumes and cloud-shrouded mountains captured public attention ..." https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/07/WS60bd7201a31024ad0bac3f6d.html
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arrest of Marcy Rheintgen
Comment: 1) I started the draft back in February, but only got round to publishing it on 8 May.

2) I checked WP:RS for the China sources and they all seem either not yet evaluated or come under WP:MREL e.g. WP:CHINADAILY. In all cases as they are biographical facts about a businesswoman I think they can be considered generally reliable.

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Lajmmoore (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC).

16px Before I go into all the details of the review, I want to discuss notability, because I am concerned that the moment this article is linked in the DYK section, someone will nomination it for deletion. Your second comment seems to be written to anticipate this. Can you further explain why the article subject is notable referring to specific notability guidelines and why for instance the coverage of her business is not just short-term interest as a result of a marketing campaign? – Editør (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:*Thanks {{u|Editør}} - just to speak to my second comment - that was not at all written with potential deletion in my, more to indicate to reviewers that I had already checked their suitability for inclusion, and to point them to the relevant guidelines that I'd looked at. Just trying to save some effort!

:*To speak to the notability guidelines, I was following GNG, here is my assessment:

::*Ref 1= cunguan.youth.cn

::::Sept 2021, Used once in article, for DOB. China Youth Daily (which is run by Communists Party) is subject on a long thread where discussion seems to indicate that its useful for some facts, and can also be used to source its own views on topics. Contributes to notability? No

::*Ref 2= v.gxnews.com.cn

::::Aug 2020, News outlet for Guangxi region, not listed in WP:RSP. Contributes to notability? No

::*Ref 3=en.people.cn

::::July 2022, Source can be used for news about mainland China with care WP:CHINADAILY. Contributes to notability? Yes

::*Ref 4=chinadaily.com.cn

::::June 2021, Source can be used for news about mainland China with care WP:CHINADAILY. Contributes to notability? Yes

::*Ref 5=gx.cnr.cn

::::October 2023, China National Radio - still state-controlled media, but I would expect it to also come under WP:CHINADAILY. Contributes to notability? Yes

::*Ref 6=thepaper.cn

::::June 2022, The Paper (China) owned by Shanghai Media Group, but I could only see Sixthtone as deemed unreliable at WP:RS. Contributes to notability? Yes

::*To my reckoning sources 3, 4, 5 and 6 contribute to WP:GNG for the subject - they are spread across several years, so do not indicate a short term marketing campaign. They are sources where the subject is central, each with a slightly different focus (so not the same press release repeated). There are issues with all sources from China, but none of those cited here are deprecated and there seems to be a consensus of 'proceed with caution'. The two additional sources are from regional news outlets. All are independent of the subject. The subject has won several awards, of which I think the national one contributes to notability the most, in addition to the coverage across national media. Happy to answer further questions Lajmmoore (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::*:Thank you for your response. Looking at the Wikipedia article again, I think that Wang's business ventures alone don't necessarily establish her notability. Her national award makes it more interesting, but it is still an award given to 98 other people on that occasion alone, so it is far from a unique honor that establishes precisely Wang's notability in this field. Then there is the claim in the hook, lifting 12,000 people out of poverty seems like no small achievement, but the source doesn't directly attribute this fact to Wang personally or to Wang's businesses. The article describes it as a development in the area: "In recent years, Liuduan village has been relieving poverty by developing rural tourism. By 2018, Jinxiu Yao autonomous county had lifted 3,345 households -- more than 12,000 people -- out of poverty, and the rate of poverty dropped to 2.496 percent." So my concerns have not been taken away. I will think about this some more and I'll come back to you. – Editør (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::*Just to add a note there is also an ALT1 to consider. There's four sources that meet WP:BASIC and in terms of the award, it's a national award in China, which has a lot of people, so I would be less concerned that there is a field of awardees, than say in a much smaller country. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::*:I think that in some way the content of ALT1 reflects my concerns about notability, it is not clear how someone promoting a business by dressing up and streaming this on the internet is notable. — Editør (talk) 22:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::*I think that's precisely why she is notable, with coverage across several years, despite being relatively young and from the Yao ethnic minority. The point is that she has established several businesses that are based on the culture of her under-developed region, This has been nationally recognised, which we can see in at least 4 of the sources in the article, further supported by a national award. Lajmmoore (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::16px The article is new enough (moved to mainspace on 8 May 2025), is long enough (2060 characters of prose), has no apparent sourcing or copyright issues (sources #3 #5 checked and per above discussion of sources), and is presentable (per readthrough and above discussion of notability). The hook is short enough, interesting enough, and cited, but the source doesn't fully support the claim in the hook. ALT1 is short enough and cited, but I find it not interesting enough in its current form. QPQ is done.

::::::The article is about Wang's entrepreneurship and its effects on the community in Jinxiu, and I think that's what got her the national media attention and award. The first hook connects the two directly, but this direct connection is not really supported by the source. ALT1 doesn't make an explicit connection, and I think it doesn't work because of it. If you can provide a reliable source supporting a direct connection, then I believe this approach could work. It may be hard to directly connect the actions of an individual to the effects in a community though, in general. {{green|Could you provide a better source to support the first hook? Or could you come up with an alternative hook making an explicit connection between Wang's businesses and the effects on the community? Or could you come up with an alternative hook with a different approach, like a remarkable fun fact?}} – Editør (talk) 11:12, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent}} Thanks {{u|Editør}}, how about these:

ALT2... that Wang Yungui set up a bottled water business to complement the traditional tea she sold?"In 2019, Wang Yungui received feedback from a buyer that the taste of the tea brewed at home was not satisfactory and was not as good as the one brewed in Liuduan Village. After much investigation, Wang Yungui suggested that the buyer go to the supermarket to buy spring water for brewing. The customer praised the taste after trying it, so Wang Yungui came up with the idea of turning spring water into a brand. Relying on the indomitable fighting spirit of the Yaoshan people, Wang Yungui finally raised funds in 2019 to comprehensively carry out the construction of the water plant, integrating catering and homestays that are compatible with cultural tourism, and building the water plant into an industrial tourism demonstration site." https://web.archive.org/web/20250508170602/https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_18614582
ALT3... that find suppliers for her specialty foods company Yao woman Wang Yungui had to knock from door-to-door? "At the beginning, villagers didn't trust Wang to sell their produce, so she went door to door, talking to them in person and collecting their produce, which she later sorted, packaged and photographed, before displaying it online."https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/07/WS60bd7201a31024ad0bac3f6d.html

::Lajmmoore (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for these alternatives. While such lines are alright in the article itself, I find ALT2 and ALT3 not interesting enough as DYK hooks. ALT2 seems like a common business decision and development, ALT3 seems like a common-sense approach for someone starting out. Maybe ALT3 could work if it is contrasted with big commercial success (did you know that millionaire Jane Doe went door to door when she started out with her first business?). Do you want to try something else, do you want me to ask for a second opinion, maybe someone else has some ideas that might work, or do you want me to close the nomination? Feel free to sleep on it if you'd like. – Editør (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

My alternate proposal is:

ALT4: ... that after lifting her family out of poverty, Yao businesswoman Wang Yungui helped do the same for hundreds others in her home village?
{{small|Source: {{cite magazine |title=更多资讯请下载学习强国客户端 |url=https://article.xuexi.cn/articles/index.html?art_id=14574865482143168638 |access-date=27 May 2025 |magazine=Chinese Volunteer Magazine |language=zh |quotation=仅一年时间，汪云贵让自己家的收入翻了几番，2016年顺利脱贫。...{{nbsp}}政府的政策扶持再加上汪云贵姐妹俩的宣传带动，六段古瑶寨的人气越来越旺，为了改善当地群众的居住条件，政府还就近建设了一座新村，六段古寨不仅完好地保存下来，村民家家户户还住上了新房。2019年六段瑶寨全村共吸引3万多人次游客观光，4年来共带动六段村151户578人脱贫。|trans-quote=In just one year, Wang Yungui increased her family's income several times and successfully lifted them out of poverty in 2016.{{nbsp}}... With the support of government policies and the publicity of Wang Yungui and her sister, Liuduan Ancient Yao Village has become more and more popular. In order to improve the living conditions of the local people, the government has also built a new village nearby. Liuduan Village has not only been well preserved, but every household in the village has also moved into a new house. In 2019, Liuduan Village attracted more than 30,000 tourists, and over the past four years, it has helped 151 households and 578 people in Liuduan Village get out of poverty.}}}}
Notes:
Wang did not lift 12,000 people out of poverty; that figure was for the entire county (to which Wang's home village of Liuduan belongs) and about poverty alleviation through rural tourism in general. This new source I read, however, credits her efforts, alongside the local government's with helping 578 people in her village specifically.
Wang did not lift people out of poverty all on her own; it was a joint effort with local authorities, as well as the people she assisted themselves. However, I therefore don't think it's a stretch to say she helped.
The new source makes it clear that there is a connection between Wang's initiatives and other households in Liuduan getting out of poverty.
Sentences cited in the Wikipedia article are: "By 2016, Wang had been able to lift her family out of poverty; this inspired her to attempt to do the same for her village.{{nbsp}}... Local authorities credited her initiatives with helping to lift 151 households and 578 people in Liuduan out of poverty."
The outlets cited for this article are to be cited with caution, per community consensus. It's difficult to find sources published outside of China about a Chinese person who made national headlines in China, and the rule of thumb is usually look at what is being claimed and take it with a grain of salt, as almost all the sources given have some link to Chinese authorities. That being said, I don't think any of the claims made in the article are particularly extreme or questionable.

Yue🌙 17:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Yue, thank you for your efforts coming up with an alternative and for your notes as well. – Editør (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Lajmmoore, what do you think? – Editør (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks very much {{u|Yue}}, so apprecaited. {{u|Editør}} I'm happy with ALT4 Lajmmoore (talk) 09:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Yue @Lajmmoore I took some distance, but just reread the article and ALT4, and I think it works.

:::16px I approve ALT4. – Editør (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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