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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 21:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

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... that a Swiss man with a criminal record who was under surveillance of authorities purchased a pump-action shotgun without difficulty, then murdered 14 politicians using the same gun, nine days later?

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Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20110114080357/https://www.blick.ch/news/politik/massenmoerdern-wie-leibacher-auf-die-spur-kommen-164366/}}
ALT1:... that as a result of the 2001 Zug massacre in Switzerland, public building security measures were changed, but gun laws were not?

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Source: {{Cite journal| doi = 10.1080/13501763.2013.761508| issn = 1350-1763| volume = 20| issue = 3| pages = 390–406| last1 = Hurka| first1 = Steffen| last2 = Nebel| first2 = Kerstin| title = Framing and policy change after shooting rampages: a comparative analysis of discourse networks| journal = Journal of European Public Policy| date = 2013-03-01 |quote=As a result, and in addition to the already low magnitude of the gun discourse, it hardly comes as a surprise that deadlock occurred and no gun policy changes were implemented in Switzerland in the wake of the Zug massacre. Yet, security measures in public buildings were bolstered in many parts of the country as a response to the shooting [...]}}}}
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Il5v (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC).

Comment (as person who got article to GA, not reviewer) I don't think this is a great hook? It feels a bit callous to me, which to some extent is unavoidable but Zug is a complicated enough case that I bet we can think of a better one. Also, is not actually cited like that in body, which is a violation of the DYK standards and is generally long winded and hard to follow. I will think of an alternative in an hour or so - I think the fact that there were no gun changes as a result to be the most interesting bit that is "hook-y". PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
I added an alternative I think is better. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment: Based on the book I saw yesterday, two good anecdotes for DYK hooks might be 1. the guy who jumped out of a window to escape the attack (in paragraph 2 of "Massacre") 2. the guy who barely escaped by taking the elevator instead of the stairs (not yet covered in article). Either would be a way to get a "quirky" and more positive hook out of this fairly macabre subject. Toadspike [Talk] 09:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
I forgot about this until now but this just seems to have never shown up on the DYK log? Don't know why. May be too late. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:47, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
{{yo|PARAKANYAA|Il5v|Toadspike}} Belatedly transcluding to T:TDYK per tipoff at User talk:Shubinator. Not attempting a review of a 3000+ word article at nearly six in the morning, but will review if no-one else does before I become less tired.--Laun chba ller 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
16px Long enough, new enough, Earwig is clean and QPQ unnecessary. ALT1 checks out AGF; if it had an end-of-sentence citation, I'd propose something like ALT2: ... that when the funeral service for the Zug massacre lit 14 candles in memory of its victims, the Catholic Church wanted a fifteenth lit for the attacker? Surprised this got passed at GA when the penultimate sentence would deserve {{tl|clump}} and I think this should be fixed.--Laun chba ller 12:52, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
Vis a vis the gun reform the sources all support different parts of the sentence. I don't really care if this runs at DYK, fail it if you wish. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:39, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
I just split it into 2. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
16px Alright, let's roll.--Laun chba ller 19:18, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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