Template talk:Infobox settlement#Strange bug resulting from latest changes

:You have to provide the analogous _info fields for the _title fields to render. This is intended to show e.g. the percentage of people speaking each language. --Joy (talk) 10:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:Same here. In the test cases we have, it's showing on the same line, e.g. in Template:Infobox settlement/testcases#Case 7: Sequim, Washington. Something is causing the left column at Boston to be narrower - it shows as 101.5px here, while the test case has 135.45px. --Joy (talk) 08:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

::{{Fixed}} --- I added nowrap to three infobox labels that were wrapping poorly. Now live. — hike395 (talk) 10:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

:They all look fine to me. To be clear, I am looking at the three maps, selectable with radio buttons, and I see black text on a light-gray map background or black text on a near-white background. Maybe provide a screen shot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

::As noted above in #Location labels unreadable in dark mode, the problem only occurs when the Color is set to Dark on this menu and the OS is set to dark mode. The labels look fine when Color is set to Dark on this menu. That means this problem has already been solved; the solution just needs to be duplicated for the automatic classes. -- Beland (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed with {{tl|!}} and documented. -- Beland (talk) 10:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Someone, please! Additional point: at wikidata, the standard is also named after - MPF (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

::{{Done}} — hike395 (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

:::@Hike395 many thanks, much appreciated! - MPF (talk) 22:13, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

I know this isn't the biggest deal in the world, but it rubs me the wrong way; I'd really like to have just one short description, even when the auto-generated one is problematic. --Trovatore (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Looking up higher in this talk page, I found the answer: you can add short_description = no to the parameters.

:Why short_description = no instead of just short_description = ? That's a side issue; I don't want to fixate on that. But I do think that would be a better syntax.

:Anyway, I think this parameter should be documented in the documentation for {{tl|infobox settlement}}, but when I went to edit the documentation, it turns out that the banner talking about the autogenerated short description comes from another template, {{tl|auto short description}}, and it wasn't clear to me whether the same parameter applies everywhere that that template is transcluded. Could someone look into this? --Trovatore (talk) 04:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

The infobox uses the Settlement short description module to create a SD based on various infobox parameters. This "auto generated" SD can sometimes produce a long or "messy" SD that triggers error reports. Adding short_description = no to the infobox instructs the module to not do this. Setting the switch does not set an alternative SD, but allows the SD in the article to be the only one. I have added a line to the documentation — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 20:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Trovatore}} — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 20:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks, {{u|GhostInTheMachine}}. But I'm afraid I still think it's not very discoverable. At the top of the page there's a blue circle with a lowercase i in it that says {{tq|This template adds an automatically generated short description. If the automatic short description is not optimal, replace it by adding {{tl|Short description}} at the top of the article.}}. That's where I'd really like the documentation to show up, if it's possible. It seems to be a big mess to figure out how to add that, with all the transclusions and so on. --Trovatore (talk) 01:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

::: The {{tl|auto short description}} template is a flag in the template documentation that adds the template to a category and displays that information message. The message is fixed, but it is correct for all cases – if the auto-SD from the infobox is not good enough, then override it by adding a {{tl|short description}} template at the top of the article. The infobox auto-SD is generated with {{code|noreplace}} set and so any manual SD from the article would be the one that is used. In some rare occasions, the auto-SD (while not used) does trigger an error report. In this case, it can be suppressed via adding short_description = no to the article infobox.

::: So, the SD from the infobox is often good enough or it can be easily superseded by editing the article and adding a {{tl|short description}} template at the top. Only very rarely is there any need to use the short_description = no trick — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 13:34, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:::: Well, it depends on what you mean by "need". I have a CSS setting that shows the SD on the web version, and seeing two SDs, well, let's say I find it untidy. As I said in my initial message, this isn't the biggest deal in the world, but I would prefer that the autogenerated SD were always removed whenever a local one is set. --Trovatore (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: If you really do not want to see the ghost SD, then add the line {{code|.shortdescription ~ .shortdescription { display: none !important; } }} to your common.css after the existing line — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 07:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Well, but I still know it's "there", whatever that means. This is my aesthetic sense as a software engineer complaining. I would just prefer it weren't there. As I said not the biggest deal in the world, but it's a "code smell". --Trovatore (talk) 19:06, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::As far as I know, the shortdesc helper gadget shows only the canonical SD for a given page, properly ignoring the replaced automatic version when there is an article-local description. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: True. Trovatore was expressing disquiet about the ghost SD displayed via the CSS override. I have offered suitable CSS that modifies the override — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 08:26, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::: Apparently I didn't explain myself sufficiently. I wasn't upset about myself seeing it, exactly. I was upset that the second SD was still "there" to be seen. I haven't looked into the software sufficiently to be sure what "there" even means, but it seems like a code smell. --Trovatore (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Items wrapped with "display:none" are still "there" also, as is a whole bunch of other stuff that is normally hidden from the typical reader. When you choose to show deliberately hidden items with custom CSS, I think that is for you to cope with. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:33, 17 April 2025 (UTC)