The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth

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The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth is an ancient Hermetic treatise. It is one of the three short texts attributed to the legendary Hellenistic figure Hermes Trismegistus that were discovered among the Nag Hammadi findings.No. (VI,6). Available at the [http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/discorse.html Gnostic Society Library], reproduced with permission from Brashler, James; Dirkse, Peter A.; Parrott, Douglas M. (trs.), "The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth (VI,6)", originally published in: Robinson, James M. 1978. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. Leiden: Brill. The other two Hermetic texts in the Nag Hammadi library are The Prayer of Thanksgiving (VI,7) with its Scribal Note (VI,7a) and fragments from the Asclepius (VI,8); see Robinson, James M. 1990. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 3rd, revised edition. New York: HarperCollins.

Insufficient information has survived from the manuscript to reconstruct the original title, and so the modern title has been taken from an expression in the treatise itself.Parrot, Douglas M. 1990. "The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth (VI,6)" (introduction) in: Robinson, James M. 1990. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 3rd, revised edition. New York: HarperCollins, p. 321. References to the Egyptian city of DiospolisIt is not clear whether the treatise refers to Diospolis Magna (a Ptolemaic name for the ancient Egyptian city Thebes) or to Diospolis Parva (a Ptolemaic name for the ancient Egyptian city Hu); see Robinson, James M. 1990. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 3rd, revised edition. New York: HarperCollins, pp. 12-13. and to hieroglyphic characters, as well as certain affinities with the Middle Platonist philosopher Albinus (fl. c. 150 CE), point to a composition in Roman Egypt somewhere in the second century CE.Parrot, Douglas M. 1990. "The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth (VI,6)" (introduction) in: Robinson, James M. 1990. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 3rd, revised edition. New York: HarperCollins, p. 322. It only exists in a Coptic translation, the original Greek being lost.The Nag Hammadi library consists entirely of Coptic works translated from the Greek; see Robinson, James M. 1990. The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 3rd, revised edition. New York: HarperCollins, pp. 12-13.