User:Steue #Ping
= To others =
My English
English is not my mother tongue.
Those who have grown up with English probably have guessed this already.
You already do improve English in articles, but usually not on talk pages.
So if, on a talk page, [ someone who has grown up [ with English ( in America or Great Britain ) AND in an environment of good English ] ] feels that what I have written would be expressed better with a different word or in a different way, he/she/they is invited to add this in my contribution just behind the spot in [].
And it would be nice if you gave me a ping too.
What I find most difficult is to decide which one of these little words like: on, at, by or with is the best. What surprises me most is the usage of "with".
Ping
I almost never watch a thread in which I have written something.
So if you would like me to notice your answer, it is necessary to ping me;
unless, of course, when it is on my talkpage, where I automatically get a ping.
= For me -- and maybe for others too ==
Pearls and Gems
= "body parts not every one has" =
{how sweet -- and smart}
Source: Talk:Bleep censor #Exact Rules / (IP, 2011)
(The complete sentence: Do words for having sex other than the f word, or for words about body parts not every one has, or other sex related swear words have to be beeped out?)
= "bovine leavings" =
{These upper class English definitely know how to express themselves courteously. :)) }
Source: Wikipedia_talk:Vector_2022 Stop contributing to Wikipedia if old layout is not brought back again.
Thank you Martin of Sheffield
= If you find work you like, you will never work again =
Source: Piotrus
= Beautiful daughter =
On a t-shirt:
"I have a beautiful daughter
I also have a gun, a shovel & an alibi"
Images: Search term: daughter gun
e.g. https://yandex.com/images/search?text=daughter%20gun
= My test pages =
User:Steue/: and * Insertions and List
User:Steue/abbr: Template
User:Steue/Anchor (template)
User:Steue/del (tag)
= My Guide =
Creating User:Steue/sandbox
Source: User's page / top / [Sandbox]
Condition: While there is yet no sandbox at all (in this users' page(s))
[User page]...[talk]................................................................................................[Create]............[Search ...............box]
"Creating User:Steue/sandbox" {page tile}
Jump to navigation {invisible link}
Jump to search {invisible link}
Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title. Before creating this page, please see
Help:Subpages.
To start a page called User:Steue/sandbox, type in the box below. When you are done, preview the page to
check for errors and then publish it.
(i) Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable through citations to reliable sources.
Preview
This is only a preview; your changes have not yet been saved! → Go to editing area
This is the user sandbox of Steue. A user sandbox is a subpage of the user's
user page. It serves as a testing spot and page development space for the user
and is not an encyclopedia article. Create or edit your own sandbox here.
Other sandboxes: Main sandbox | Template sandbox
Finished writing a draft article? Are you ready to request an experienced
editor review it for possible inclusion in Wikipedia? Save your work by
pressing the "Publish page" button below, and a button will appear here
allowing you to submit your draft for review.
{Great
Help:My sandbox
Source:
Wikipedia:Subpages
Village pump (technical), Wikipedia: ~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)
= References for me (and maybe for others too) =
To be studied
- Help:Cheatsheet
- "Socrates established the fact that one cannot depend upon those in "authority" to have sound knowledge and insight." (article Critical thinking)
- Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians (found on {{np|User:Piotrus}} / one of his babel boxes)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Classroom coordination (found on {{np|User:Piotrus}} / one of his babel boxes)
- Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (found on {{np|User:Piotrus}} / one of his babel boxes)
= Editing =
{{anchor|Hidden comment code}} <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki>
This section is only about it's name ( not it's use and functions ).
= In wiki documentations it has got 4 names =
In: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking #Avoiding broken section links
this is called a "'hidden comment"'.
In: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hidden text.
In: Wikipedia:Manual of Style / {20} Miscellaneous / {5} Invisible comment(s).
And there is: Wikipedia:Comment.
= Here, in my edit guide =
I have it under "Hidden comment".
Back to #Hidden comment ( if you came from there ).
{{Anchor|AboveA}}
{{Anchor|WithinA}}Anchor
{{Anchor|BelowA}}
= General =
An anchor is created by the sourcecode
Any anchor is (intended to be) the partner of a link, where
- the link is the starting point and
- the anchor is the [end point / target] of this link.
= Where an anchor can be (placed) =
Generally an anchor can be placed almost any where, even in a table or the text below an image.
The target is, where the anchor is.
The target can be e.g. a:
- header of a chapter:
- paragraph,
- sentence,
- word or
- even a specific letter within a word or
- a specific sign (e.g. a comma or point).
Generally an anchor can be placed:
- before,
- within or
- after/behind
something.
Only if the target is a (single, meaning specific) sign, there is only either before or after this sign.
An anchor takes it's own space (in the source code) thus an anchor can only be placed before or after a sign.
In a browser/an article the reading/writing mark is always a "pipe".
Thus a target can only be before XOR after/behind a sign, meaning: the target can not be the middle of a sign.
== In the ''same'' xor in ''another'' article ==
Generally there are two possible situations for any link-anchor usage/situation:
The anchor/target is:
- either within the same article
- XOR in another article.
=== In the ''same'' article ===
If the the target/anchor is with-in the same article, there are two possibilities:
- either the target is above the link
- XOR the target is below the link.
==== Where to place the anchor in relation to the intended target or line ====
======= Links to targets ''above'' the link =======
For "the following three links" the target (currently) is "the header line of the chapter "Anchor" ".
---
Link to the line just "above the header above"
Dis-advantage: Once the anchor is set, for editing it can NOT be accessed ( e.g. for any change ) from the "target section", but only from "the section above the target section".
---
Link to "Within the header above i.e. between the first/leading "==" and the actual header text"
---
Link to the line just "below the header above"
This is the best one of these three, because only the target line i.e. the header, and not any text lines above this target/header are visible.
---
======= Links to targets ''below'' the link =======
( The target of the 3 links below is the header of the immediately following section; currently this is "Babelboxes". )
( Guide: After clicking in one of the 3 links below, you will have to scroll up a little, in order to come back to this section here and to be able to test the other 2 links. )
---
Link to the line just "above the header below"
Dis-advantage: Once the anchor is set, it can NOT be accessed ( e.g. for any change ) from the target section, but only from the section above the target section.
---
Link to "Within the header below i.e. between the first/leading "==" and the actual header text"
---
Link to the line just "below the header below"
This is the best one of these three, because only the target line i.e. the header, and not any text lines above this target/header are visible.
---
= Why use an anchor? =
One application is: headers of chapters within an article:
If one wants to change the wording of "an already existing header (of a chapter, within an article)", one is in danger of creating a potential problem, because: if "somewhere in any article" there is a link to this chapter i.e. which uses "the current wording of this header", and one is changing the current wording, this mentioned link will no longer work, it will become a "red link".
Solution/prevention of this (potential) problem:
FIRST:
A: One creates an anchor to the old wording/version of this header and
B: places this anchor just below the new header.
And only SECOND:
One changes the wording of the header.
So, if one does know that there is a link to this chapter, one kind of must create such an anchor.
And especially if one does not know whether there exists a link to this header, one should always create such an anchor, just in case that there is a link to this chapter/header.
== Where to place the anchor, if within the header ==
If the anchor is BEHIND the header text, this section's name, in the history, is easier to read and find.
{{Anchor|AboveB}}
{{Anchor|WithinB}} Babelboxes
{{Anchor|BelowB}}
= Top and bottom edges =
== How to get them ''UN-interrupted by text'' ==
One fast and simple way is: to add "
"s immediately before and after the text:
- one "
" at the beginning and - two "
"s at the end of the text.
A much more time consuming way (in terms of: study, implementation and testing) would be to define margins. But by this one could define the margins more precisely, down to one pixel.
= In several columns =
Seen on:
User:Chemical Ace ( 2023-12-06 )
Brackets
= Brackets in ''headers'' =
See my section Brackets ( '[' and ']'s ) in headers !
= Brackets in ''links'' =
The target of a link always is a header or an anchor.
Brackets within the target in a link ( i.e. on the left side of the pipe { "|" } ) would dis-able the link i.e. reduce the link to normal text.
From this follows:
A: If the target is an anchor, this anchor must not contain any bracket(s).
B: If the target is a header and/which contains a bracket or brackets,
in order to get a link to this target to function, one solution is to:
- place an anchor ( which does/must NOT contain any bracket ) at the target location,
- pipe the link and
- place the part which contains brackets on the right side of the pipe.
Code
= «''Better'' visible separation» of «references» from «the visible text» =
{{Anchor|Collapse a list}} <!--
-->Collapse anything
eg: Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Images by Guillaume Vachey
Copy, 2 ways to ~
Edit Requests
Headers
={{Anchor|Headers, Brackets in}} Brackets ( '[' and ']'s ) in headers =
Generally they seem to make no problem.
However, there is ( at least ) one special case where brackets in headers do need special treatment, and this is ( see my section: ) [notes 1].
Hidden comment
= Short =
In the sourcecode it looks like this:
.
The wole "thing" is only visible in the "source code", that's why it's called a hidden comment.
Usage:
- I use it, e.g. before a box (created by a blank character at the start of a line) to make clear that I intentionally caused this box. Reason: Sometimes a box can get created un-intentionally, because a blank character got to the start of the line; and because the blank character is not visible in the source code, it can remain un-noticed.
I also had the impression, that, in some talks, the box was not intended, but the newby did not check the result or didn't know what causes the box and how to get rid of it. - sometimes I use it to mark the start and end of a larger section.
- sometimes: to show the name of the chapter above: When I'm scrolling up-wards, in my source code, I can read this name already at the bottom of this chapter. Nice to have, if I want to add something at the bottom.
= Long =
There is something called an 'HTML comment'; I call it a "hidden comment".
In 'code view' it looks like this:
It:
- can be empty:
or - contain
.
== Visibility ==
Such a 'hidden comment', normaly, is visible:
- only in the 'code view', this means
- NOT in the 'final text view' output.
But, as you have seen above, a 'hidden comment' can be made visible in output if it is placed in nowikis like this:
It may or may not be placed in ( what I call ) a 'code box'. But even within the code box it needs nowikis to make it visible:
.
A 'hidden comment' does not even create any space.
Proof: This code
results in this: AB ( NO space between A and B ).
== First example {{Anchor|Hidden comment 1st example}} ==
The following is the 'codeview':
Note: The "[CRLF]"s do not need to be put in the code; they are just there ( here in this example ) to show, that there is a 'keyboard line break'.
« some visible text before the 'hidden comment' ».
« some visible text after the 'hidden comment' ».
== Second ''possible'' example of use, this time in a ''list'' {{Anchor|Hidden comment 2nd example}} ==
With-out the « wrapped 'hidden comments' » the source code would look like this:
- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item, - Two
- Three.
Try to find the items !! -- Hard to read.
With the « wrapped 'hidden comments' » the source code would look like this:
- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item- Two
- Three.
Already much easier to read.
And even more easy to read with two
s:- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item- Two
- Three.
A piece of cake.
All three result in the same; see:
Without:
- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item, - Two
- Three.
---
With one:
- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item- Two
- Three.
---
With two:
- One
A long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
B long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item
C long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long item- Two
- Three.
== Third example: With references {{Anchor|Hidden comment With references}} ==
For separating:
- « text from references »,
- « references from references » and
- « references from text ».
« some visible text before the first reference ».
« some visible text after the last reference ».
== Fourth example {{Anchor|Hidden comment 4th example}} ==
This code
could be a little help ( in the source code ) if you needed a certain set of characters:
== Reference ==
( Reference: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility #Multiple paragraphs within list items / 3rd box. )
Links
Wikipedia:Links --> Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking
For technical information about link formatting, see Help:Link.
For information on adding external links to articles, see Wikipedia:External links.
Lists
= Dont-s =
Blank lines between list items: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility #Lists
= A =
List A:
- item 1,
- item 2 and
- item 3.
= B =
List B:
- item 1
above are two empty lines, - item 2
a 1st bold subheader plus text
a 2nd bold subheader plus text; - item 3.
= C =
A list with *no* introductory ":" and *no* "," after the 1st item does work fine.
- item 1
- item 2.
= D =
List in list:
- 1st item
- a sub item
- 2nd item.
= E =
Wikipedia talk:User pages #RfC: allowing editors to opt-out of seeing floating decorative elements
- oppose (strongly) and some better suggestions:
- I don't want to be "forced" to do something in order to get rid of this "decoration".
- A *fancy signature*, in most cases, is **harder** to read or speak than an ordinary one. If such a signature isn't enough for some techies,
- suggestion: they may use a link like funny fly or tricky tech stuff on their *main* page linking to one of their SUB pages where they can show all their technical knowledge and artistic talents.
- Show some respect !! - You (techies) don't have the right to F O R C E such things on all others who visit your page!
- suggestion: And such a sub page then should not contain any *other* or *more* useful information except tech tricks.
- If a reader shows interest in a registered editor('s page), this editor should consider this interest already an honour. Why **annoy** their visitors!!? Would you annoy your guest(s) at home -- if you had one/some?
- Such CONSTANTLY moving/distracting stuff on the two *main* pages of an editor comes close to - no - IS vandalism.
And while we are at this issue: - suggestions: an **animated** something (like a GIF):
- may move for ONE SECOND (or ONE cycle), but then it should stop by itself.
- It may OFFER the visitor a button to let it move *again*,
- for a couple of seconds (or cycles) or
- (better) as long as a certain key is held down.
THIS would show respect, this would truly be user-friendly. - Especially "those who find such stuff extremely annoying" also hate to be forced to waste their time and nerves in order to find out where and how to switch such stuff off. I'm not exaggerating: to some readers/editors such stuff is and the additional work would be like a rape. It's the mind that suffers, much more than the body.
- Ask the millions of only-readers whether they like such stuff!!
Steue (talk) 02:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
= F =
The following demo list shows / prooves:
s do NOT end/interrupt the counting of a numbered list.
- a single 'blank line' or several 'blank lines' DO end/interrupt the counting of a numbered list.
- One
- Two. After this code demo is a true i.e. functioning
. - Three. After this code demo are two true i.e. functioning
s.
- Four. Below this is a 'blank line', simply caused by the [ Enter ] key in the source code.
- Five. Below this are two 'blank lines' in the source code.
- Six.
= G =
- (1)
- (2)
- (3)
- :(1) {of the 2nd level}
- :(2) {of the 2nd level}
- (4)
- (5)
= H =
- (1)
This does interrupt the counting!
- (2)
- (3).
= I =
- (1)
A - (2) B
This content is inline with B i.e. with NO [ CR LF ]
So is C. - (3)
- (4)
- (5).
= J =
= K =
Non-notable items in Disambiguation pages
Source: Wikipedia:Notability
= Notability of the ''name/header/topic'' of an article =
1. / (2nd Frame) ("This page in a nutshell:") / (last sentence):
The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article.
2. (Next sentence, outside this frame):
On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.
3. There follow several mentions like this, re. own article.
={{Anchor|Notability}} [ Notability or non-notability ] of ''items'' in "lists with a notable title" =
4. But then (further below) there is this:
Wikipedia:Notability #Notability guidelines do not usually apply to content within articles or lists:
The criteria applied to the creation or retention of an article are not the same as those applied to the content inside it. The notability guideline does not apply to the contents of articles. It also does not apply to the contents of stand-alone lists, unless editors agree to use notability as part of the list selection criteria. Content coverage within a given article or list (i.e. whether something is {{em|noteworthy}} enough to be mentioned within the article or list) is governed by the principle of due weight, balance, and other content policies. For additional information about list articles, see Notability of lists and List selection criteria.''
5. Wikipedia:Notability #Stand-alone lists (/ 1st real paragraph / last sentence):
Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles.
6. (/ 2nd paragraph / 2nd to last sentence):
Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.
7. Wikipedia:Notability #Articles not satisfying the notability guidelines (/ 1st para / 2nd sentence):
Non-notable topics with closely related notable articles or lists are often merged into those pages, while non-notable topics without such merge targets are generally deleted.
{{Anchor|notes 1}}<nowiki>[notes 1]</nowiki>
= The brackets =
Generally, "["s and "]"s ( brackets ) in headers require NO special treatment.
But when I tried to upload above title ( upon my user page ) without the nowikis, the wiki software complained.
I had to put it in nowikis, before it got accepted and executed as an upload.
However, I have used "[ ... ]"s ( 'brackets' ) in an other header ( : [ Notability or non-notability ] of items in "lists with a notable title" ) with-out any problem or complaint.
So, it seems that it is not the brackts themselves, alone, which cause the problem, but the special use/function of this combination with the word "notes" and a number.
= The function as a reference note =
( Background about "[notes 1]": )
This was an un-usual kind of "reference note" which I noticed in:
the article Reddit / (top right) (frame {"box"}) / "Available in" [ Multilingual ]
Above "notes" is also in two other notes in this article.
SourceCode:
| language = Multilingual
But below there is as header:
{9} "Explanatory notes"
1. ^ The site's display interface is available in several common languages, but most of its user-submitted content is written in English with no built-in translation feature. Individual subreddits may opt to cater to a specific language, only allowing posts, comments, etc. in that language.
2. ^ Reddit can be viewed without an account but registration is required to submit, comment or vote.
3. ^ Previously written in Lisp, then rewritten in Python in 2005.
---
In the source code below there is:
Terms of a page
"Section" { chapter, header, heading, title }
Tool tip(s), existence indicated by under-dotting
CRT
(Found in: (article) HP-150 / (the box) at the top right / (section) "Display".)
Vertical bar
Between A and B: A|B (just some letter for comparison).
Source Code:
(but with NO space between "124" and ";")
If the 'space' is non-existant, the wiki software produces a vertical bar - despite the "
(Thanks to User:Shhhnotsoloud #Useful things...)
Wikipedia:Don't-give-a-fuckism
Wikipedia:Don't-give-a-fuckism (Humour and Peace of mind).
{Link actually found on the user page in the German WP.}
Wikitext, the nature of ~
The example to which the following relates is:
In Help:Link #Specifics the first sentence says:
"When a link contains a section title (as in the examples above),
the title actually points to an HTML anchor on the target page."
{Bold added by me.}
Cognition: This means: The wikitext is "only" the user interface;
and below/behind [ this user interface / every wikitext ] actually is HTML code.
That means: Every wikitext is "translated", by a program(me), into HTML code.
This means: The wikitext saves us (editors) from having to edit in HTML.
= English =
Singular they ( found on [ User:WanderingWanda #Pronouns ] ).
= Talk pages =
General
Indentation
The usual word is: "indentation", respectively: "indentation level(s)".
Wikipedia:Indentation ( short: WP:INDENT ).
Out-dentation
= In which line =
or
(identical result).
Result:
1st contribution.
:2nd.
::3rd.
:::4th. The following
is on a blank line. This does NOT out-dent the following line.
{{od}}
::::5th.
:::::6th contribution.
{{od}}7th contribution. The template has got to be in (at the start of) this line which shall get out-dented.
In Wikipedia:Indentation #Outdenting there are more options to tell the template how many steps to the left the out-denting shall be done.
= Does it work for all following, if inserted ''afterwards'' ? =
::A
{{Od|:::}}B
::::C
:::::D
Answer: No.
Archiv(e)ing, prevention of
Bullets
Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines / # Editing others' comments / * Fixing format errors / second bullet:
"removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC)".
Editing others' contributions
''Talk'' page ''before'' the ''article'' page is created
Is possible.
I just did it with: Talk:Bag pudding.
However: if I then search for "Bag pudding", this Talk page is NOT delivered.
I think: it should.
Maybe it takes a little while, before it is integrated into the index.
I had created alltogether four links to this talk page.
---
It's possible, the wiki software let me create it,
but it does not seem to be a good idea to do so, because it already got deleted for exactly this reason.
In detail:
A couple of hours later I found (at the top of a page) an alert.
I clicked on the icon and found a note that the page got deleted.
I clicked on the note and found a log page, which read that the page had gotten deleted 4 hrs after I had created the page. There was NO explanation besides "Talk page without an article page".
Honestly: This information -- I did know already, because I created this page.
There was NO link to a WP: ... page.
The user name was [user:Explicit].
I clicked on the user name and found: it was/is an admin.
But after I had opened this note once, after the second click on this icon, there was NO more information about this note to be found.
Plus: Now it does NOT even appear in my "Contributions" list.
If I could not remember the user name of the deleter, I could not even write to him.
If I didn't have a link to this page e.g. here on my page, I did not even have any sign/"proof" that I ever created this page.
If I didn't have a copy of this page in my computer all the work which I had put in would be lost.
Now all the 4 links (to this page), which I created, are red links.
I would have liked to ask this deleter: "Before you deleted this page, did you check, wether any pages/links link to this page?"
I think this subject/issue/procedure should be improved.
= Curiosities =
Interesting similarity
{{Infobox computer
|name = HP-150
|image = File:HP-HP150II 04.jpg
|release date = November 1983}}
{{multiple image
| align =
| image1 = Macintosh 128k transparency.png
| width1 = 196
| alt1 = Mac 128k
| caption1 =
| image2 = Steve Jobs and Macintosh computer, January 1984, by Bernard Gotfryd - edited.jpg
| width2 = 156
| alt2 = Jobs with Mac
| caption2 =
| footer = January 1984
The original Macintosh 128k (left);
and
Steve Jobs with the Macintosh
(Source: article:) Macintosh #1984: Debut
| footer_align = center
}}
= Unsorted =
GIFs, how to switch off annoying animated gifs
Annoyance of animated gif, for example in the article GIF
{Not yet tested or done.}
Add "importScript('User:Alexis Jazz/Hammertime.js');" to Special:Mypage/common.js (source) to have a button on every article page that stops the window (JavaScript window.stop) which should halt animated GIFs in most browsers.
Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)