User:XLinkBot/Analysis

The Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided section's first statement is an

exception: "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject". I examined the last 20 "myspace" related edits of this bot and have these statistics: of the 20 edits 8 were unofficial pages and 12 were official pages. However, when examining bot reverts made to edits specifically placed in sections entitled "External links" then included were all 12 official pages and only 4 unofficial pages. This is a ratio of 3:1 unnecessary reverts. My proposition is to specify a command for the bot to allow edits which include "myspace" to remain when they are under a section "External links". Would this be possible? - Steve3849 ^talk 11:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

:I am having a look. But first, WP:EL is not the only reason, still the header of that also applies, as does WP:NOT#REPOSITORY, WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, WP:COI, WP:COPYRIGHT, etc. etc. What I mean is, that a site is the official myspace of the subject does not mean that we have to link to it. Period of these edits: 10:09, 17 November 2008 - 10:32, 16 November 2008, about one day.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Ocean_Collective&diff=prev&oldid=252337634 diff] - not the myspace of the band, but 'Jona's first band'

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eamon_(singer)&diff=prev&oldid=252324471 diff] removes two other links, replacing it by the 'Offical Myspace Fansite' - Fansite, not 'an official page of the article's subject', it is the page of the fanclub.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ilan_Rubin&diff=prev&oldid=252324444 diff] - Denver Harbour Myspace (page is about Ilan Rubin) - not official site of subject (there are more that have to go in that page)

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casa_Grande_High_School&diff=prev&oldid=252321808 diff] - 'Vince Rones, random black guy' on page of school

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blessthefall&diff=next&oldid=252299598 diff] - this seems one that is correct

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blessthefall&diff=prev&oldid=252298424 diff] - some link to a former band-member, not to the page of the band itself. Inappropriate place anyway, there should be a wikilink to the member, if notable enough

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alesana&diff=prev&oldid=252294748 diff] - some links to myspaces of former band-members, not to the page of the band itself. Inappropriate place anyway, there should be a wikilink to the member, if notable enough

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blessthefall&diff=prev&oldid=252293033 diff] - again bandmember, not band itself

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_hardcore_punk_bands&diff=prev&oldid=252284445 diff] - WP:NOT#DIRECTORY - if the band is notable enough for this list, then it should have a wikipage, not an external link

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thalidomide&diff=prev&oldid=252283941 diff] - Thalidomide is a drug, here is a link in the text to a band with the same name .. inappropriate way of linking

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Superheist&diff=prev&oldid=252262901 diff] - one appropriate and 2 inappropriate myspace links. I hope the message on the talkpage made the editor adapt the edit

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bash_Back&diff=prev&oldid=252246956 diff] - WP:NOT#DIRECTORY - myspace links to all local myspaces of radical, anti-authoritarian queer projects within the United States

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blue_Flower&diff=prev&oldid=252243886 diff] - 'the blue flower is a central symbol of romanticism' - the myspace is of a cabaret group.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blue_Flower&diff=prev&oldid=252242817 diff] - 'the blue flower is a central symbol of romanticism' - the myspace is of a cabaret group.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Debbie_Gibson&diff=prev&oldid=252218689 diff] - maybe appropriate (there is quite a linkfarm there)

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Dante_Club&diff=prev&oldid=252215601 diff] "The Dante Club is a mystery novel by Matthew Pearl and his debut work" - the links should be to the site of the book, not to the writers myspace or the official fan page of the author. 'Indirectly linked'

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Misunderstood&diff=prev&oldid=252206723 diff] - maybe appropriate, though not 100% sure, this is not about the band, but about their classics.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reveille_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252193830 diff] - inappropriate linking, could be good in the external links section though

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laurel_McGoff&diff=prev&oldid=252191963 diff] - vandalism edit anyway, I don't think this is the official myspace.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WMPG&diff=prev&oldid=252191926 diff] - WMPG is a radio station, is this the official myspace, and if so, then it looks that the more official site got removed here?

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gorizia&diff=prev&oldid=252184815 diff] - a town in northeastern Italy, this is not the myspace of the town, but of an inhabitant, should be a wikilink if the inhabitant is notable enough.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purgatory_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252183960 diff] - the original Purgatory myspace, so maybe not the official anymore?

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Bailey&diff=prev&oldid=252152556 diff] - in template, this is not the official site apparently, but another site of him. Breaks page. May have been appropriate in external links

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Saints_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252151428 diff] - addition of other band members myspaces, not of the band (is already there)

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Saints_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252150156 diff] - addition of other band members myspaces, not of the band (is already there)

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Golden_Hour_of_the_Future&diff=prev&oldid=252150047 diff] - inappropriate place for myspace, is of member, not of the subject of the page

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romanian_hip_hop&diff=prev&oldid=252143869 diff] - Romanian hip-hop, myspace of an artist, should be wikilink if notable enough.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool,_New_South_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=252139112 diff] - Musician in Liverpool, New South Wales, not of subject. Should be wikilink if notable enough

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Torgunn_Flaten&diff=prev&oldid=252135920 diff] - Maybe appropriate, in this edit inappropriate place

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apademik&diff=prev&oldid=252133719 diff] - replacing another one, could be appropriate

:There are some which, without checking what is actually linked to, may be appropriate, but that amounts to 1 for sure, and 3 or 4 which may be appropriate:

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blessthefall&diff=next&oldid=252299598 diff] - is correct

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Superheist&diff=prev&oldid=252262901 diff] - one is the official myspace, but the other two are not

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Debbie_Gibson&diff=prev&oldid=252218689 diff] - the old one redirects to the new one, seems the real one (though, there are quite some links here, what does this myspace add)

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Misunderstood&diff=prev&oldid=252206723 diff] - dead link

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reveille_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252193830 diff] - is a myspace of the band

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laurel_McGoff&diff=prev&oldid=252191963 diff] - vandalism edit anyway, - private myspace (no data on page, may be blocked for viewing), adds nothing.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WMPG&diff=prev&oldid=252191926 diff] - not the myspace of the radio.

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purgatory_(band)&diff=prev&oldid=252183960 diff] - not official

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Bailey&diff=prev&oldid=252152556 diff] - should be in external links

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Torgunn_Flaten&diff=prev&oldid=252135920 diff] - hmm, not sure here

:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apademik&diff=prev&oldid=252133719 diff] - nope, "Ricky B. Infinite Memorial"

:So there are indeed a couple here which are appropriate myspace pages. About 5-6 out of 30 are at least really linked to the subject (that is 20%). Some of the myspaces, which are almost general blogs, still fail the statement 'Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail; or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.' (they simply don't add anything new). Other edits should be cleaned up, etc. I think the bot does generally a good job, remember that it on the first edit reverts and just gives a friendly message of what the user needs to think about.

:However, I'd like to see your interpretation here, I see your statistics differ significantly, I hardly found any official myspaces, and when they were there are still questions to be asked (though that is not up to the bot to judge that; that is why XLinkBot does not have a bot-bit, so it does come up in recent changes and can be reviewed by human editors). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

::When I searched through the edits prior to my original post they were the prior 20 from that recorded time. If I had the results you came up with I wouldn't have bothered. Your findings show the bot is doing a fine job. My only concern is that a majority of myspace related reverts were external links to official myspace pages for wikipedia articles mostly about musicans. You've made clear that is not true. - Steve3849 ^talk 16:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

:I must say that I am surprised that there are clearly quite a number which are quite appropriate, and there may be moments when this ratio is different. Difficult to assess. It should also be said that this list does not include the numerous times a myspace link is inserted which is not reverted (as it is not performed by an IP or by a new user, because it detects it is in a reference or template (the latter being difficult to detect for the bot), or because XLinkBot detects another 'error'. I do know that myspace and similar are difficult, there are often appropriate myspaces that can be added, and I do hope that the message that the bot leaves on the user talkpage for a first revert is not scaring the user away... --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=280006681&oldid=279350951 diff]
• Top of list, is about subject, might be a nice reference for the article
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279996775&oldid=279996151 diff]
• Sending people offsite to get more info, in this way inappropriate
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279995279&oldid=279975020 diff]
• prob. COI edit, inappropriate placing of youtube link in a section which needs a serious rewrite.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279993729&oldid=277631923 diff]
• prob. COI edits, inappropriate linking and placing, article needs cleanup
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279989915&oldid=279248716 diff]
• inappropriate placing, not an official video, might be the subject of the article .. but what does it add
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279985316&oldid=239414385 diff]
• I don't see the link between a visualisation of the pink panter motive with the subject of the article. COI edit.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279983318&oldid=278927386 diff]
• Inappropriate placing, and why is this a video? I see only a star vizualisation and the same lyrics as reproduced on wiki. Does not add anything
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279975069&oldid=279752123 diff]
• Commercial with ZZ top .. this might actually be coi editing ..
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279962833&oldid=228137831 diff]
• Recording of a language party over WWVH on the wiki page of WWVH. Hence, does not tell about the subject.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=279962365&oldid=279555330 diff]
• Inappropriate linking

Note, none of these are channels .. they are all individual video's by individuals. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 15:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)