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Hi, Awilley - I filed an appeal [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Atsme at ARCA]. Atsme 💬 📧 01:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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Could you have a look at this DS issue?

Hello Awilley. Season's greetings.

There's an editor who has repeatedly violated the 24-hour BRD sanction at the Racial Views of Donald Trump article. The same editor has been making problematic edits at other BLP and Politics-related articles. I opened a thread at the user's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Viktory02#Discretionary_Sanction_violation here] trying to explain the problem and asking for them to correct it, but this does not seem to be sinking in. Next time you have a chance, could you have a look and do as you see fit? I'm not inclined to file an AE complaint, but the behavior does need to stop. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 19:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

:{{re|SPECIFICO}} Sorry I missed you. (Traveling) It looks like you got this resolved in a different way at SPI. ~Awilley (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

::All's well thanks for the note. SPECIFICO talk 00:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, This is notification of my appeal.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Yae4] You were the enforcing admin. FYI we briefly discussed it over a year ago.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Awilley&type=revision&diff=1021760864&oldid=1020733781&diffmode=source] Regards, -- Yae4 (talk) 12:07, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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1RR, not quite working out

A 1RR DS for Hunter Biden laptop controversy isn't really working. We've got roughly the same number of editors on opposite sides of an argument, merely reverting each other. Editor-A adds something; Editor-B reverts it; Editor-C re-adds it; Editor-D reverts it; etc etc. A 1-month protection for the page, would've been best. GoodDay (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I doubt 24-hrs will do. If not 1-month, then why not 2-weeks. GoodDay (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in. I was thinking something a bit longer term than a day, as the dispute immediately reignited after the last protection expired. I think more along the lines of three days or a week. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

:{{ping|ScottishFinnishRadish}} A month would've been best. But, I think 2-weeks would've sufficed. GoodDay (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

::Sorry, I tried to reply yesterday but my edit got lost in an edit conflict and I was on mobile in the car so I gave up.

::A month of full protection on an unstable article with this much traffic isn't an option in my book. I still think the best option would be for you to follow the advice I left on TFD's talk page: to work with your opponents to find a compromise. That would make protection unnecessary. ~Awilley (talk) 15:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello Awilley. If an editor pinged editors to a talkpage discussion (editor's who've already chimed in on that talkpage, in recent days on same topic), to ask them if they'll support that editor's edit to the page. Would that be considered canvassing? -- GoodDay (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

PS: When the page protection expires. You'll know (via page history) which editor or editors, will soon re-add the dispute tag. GoodDay (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at the church main article

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. I knew that as soon as the recent rfc regarding capitalization ended in favor of lower case "the", the name of the article itself would be challenged based on that result (despite the arguments in the rfc that the two were completely separate and distinct situations that had nothing to do with each other). Anyways, just wanted to make sure someone else was aware as I'm likely to be out of communications for a couple of days due to an unexpected medical situation. --FyzixFighter (talk) 02:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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24-BRD page restriction template

Hello Awilley. Here's something odd: The talk page template for the 24-hour BRD restriction has been changed to a new version that IMO is not as clear and easily observed for most users.

I'm pretty sure I don't need to tell you why, but for anyone else who reads this, the former version was worded in terms of each editor's own actions, which are known and controlled by them. It said more or less, if your edit is reverted do this and this. The new version says "observe BRD" -- which takes the user link-hopping eventually to a page that says BRD is optional and ties to the CONSENSUS page, which is very broad and does not give the kind of brief instrumental instruction that the former 24-BRD template presented. The former template simply told editors what to do in order to comply. The new one is a head scratcher, especially since any infractions may be (sometimes unintentionally) from less experienced editors.

I have no idea how templates work, who edits them etc. and I was hoping that with your Admin and software chops you might agree with me and propose to the appropriate person that we return to the former wording for this very effective page restriction. SPECIFICO talk 15:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

: The template was probably changed to match the new wording proposed by Arbcom. I'll have a look and see what if anything can be done. ~Awilley (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

:: Thanks. I don't recall any discussion of this revision during the review process. This restriction works very well on the most contentious pages, Trump among others. It would be a real loss if it were not well understood or less widely applied vs. the more onerous and less effective restrictions. SPECIFICO talk 16:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Crime labels...an essay

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Thanks for at least undestanding the issue

I have been trying to get other members of the LDS WikiProject to understand the issue with varying degrees of success. I'm glad you get it from your edit summary and edits on 2 Nephi. Is there some way you can help explain this to the others? The Book of Mormon pages are filled with this kind of mystifying prose, and I cannot tell if it is all anachronism or if it gloss that has been added by Mormon oral culture through their Sunday School classes. Any thoughts you might have on how to get, let's be honest here, cultural Mormons to understand that this kind of description does not work outside of the Mormon culture would be most appreciated. jps (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

:It is a problem, and it's one that is hard to see when you're "in" it. There is a whole slew of "Mormon lingo" -- terms Mormons use that are confusing to outsiders, words that mean different things inside Mormonism than outside. I don't know the exact reason for it, and I suspect it has something to do with basically having your own state for a century. But I've also seen these kinds of things in many different groups, cultures, religions, and even political parties. I'm certain an English speaking alien visiting the United States for the first time would be confused by our use of the words "pro-life" and "pro-choice". And I occasionally read news articles mentioning "dog-whistles" used by politicians that sound innocuous to casual observers but have specific meanings to people in their base.

:I'm not sure how to best solve the problem. It takes a conscious effort. I suppose the first step is to recognize that there is a problem. An expansion of MOS:LDSJARGON might be helpful. Off the top of my head I can think of a bunch of words that have a completely different meaning inside Mormonism than outside. For example:

:*Elder = 19-year-old boy

:*Priest = 16-year-old boy

:*Laurel = 16-year-old girl

:*Deacon = 12-year-old boy

:*Sunbeam = 4-year-old child

:*Sacrament = Eucharist

:*Ordinance = Sacrament

:*Atonement = Agony in the Garden + Crucifixion of Jesus (roughly)

:*Word of Wisdom = health code

:*Zion = Pretty much anywhere where Mormons gather together, but also a specific place in Missouri. And a national park. And a bank. Oh dear.

:*Plural marriage = religious polygamy

:*Godhead = Trinity (but mostly this kind)

:*Trinity = A really bad false doctrine made up by the Catholic Church

:*Heavenly Father = God the Father. (The TV series Under the Banner of Heaven overused that one, in my opinion. Where most Mormons would have just said "God", they made sure to say "Heavenly Father" each time.)

:*Christ = Jesus (this one's not unique to Mormonism obviously, but it's not great form on Wikipedia to swap the title for the name)

:*Celestial Kingdom = Heaven

:*Spirit Prison = Hell but more like Purgatory

:*Outer Darkness = Actual Hell

:*Telestial Kingdom = Something between heaven and hell

:*Gentiles = non-Mormons (sometimes including Jews 🤦)

:*The Church (capitalized) = LDS Church (no, I'm not going to take the time to write it all out)

:*Gospel = kinda hard to define. Basically the whole message about Jesus saving everybody.

:I remember once being in a meeting where a word was being re-defined in real time. There's a well-known document from the church presidency stating that husbands/fathers are to "preside over their families". But there's also a principle that husbands and wives are supposed to be "equal partners". There were some interesting mental gymnastics involved in trying to redefine the word "preside" as meaning "not being in charge".

:Anyway, I'm not trying to bash or mock LDS, but I am being more provocative than necessary, because I do want people to recognize that it's a problem. ~Awilley (talk) 17:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks! Christ = Jesus to Mormons, but is that always how they interpret it in the Book of Mormon? If so, extremely confusing for an outsider. Same with "Messiah". Of course, they're listed on the anachronisms page for good reason. I am surprised that you are worried that this list will be seen as bashing or mocking. jps (talk) 18:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

:::Sorry, no, that's not what I was saying. "Christ" didn't really belong in this list, but I mentioned it because I had switched a "Christ" to "Jesus" in my edit yesterday. Jesus has hundreds of titles (Christ, Jesus Christ, Messiah, Savior, Lamb of God, Son of God, The Lord, Jehovah,...) and they're all pretty much interchangeable to Mormons. My point was that for the purposes of writing on Wikipedia we should just be writing "Jesus" and not swapping that out with any titles. Calling him "Christ" (translated "anointed one") or "Messiah" (also "anointed") is POV as well as confusing to outsiders. ~Awilley (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

::::The other one to deal with is "Atonement" which is pretty difficult to follow as a concept when it is being described in early books as something that the characters in the BoM are anticipating. As you may know, that doctrine essentially exists only in Christianity and took centuries to come into being within Early Christianity only to be recast/repurposed again and again amidst heresies and reformations and counterreformations right up to is usage within low church Protestant Christianity out of which the vast majority of the "Christian" parts of Mormons gets its theology. Just using that word unadorned in a narrative, for example, is jarring. We either need to discuss it or find a way to put it that isn't so much like an oopart. jps (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

:::::Right. That is a confusing one. How do you concisely define Atonement for a global audience, and how did people in 600 B.C. know it? The Book of Mormon answer is that an angel told Nephi in a vision that Jesus was going to be born in Jerusalem and then die to save everybody, so Nephi taught his followers to anticipate that. But I don't know how or whether to explain that in Wikipedia terms. I haven't done much editing on Book of Mormon topics. My focus has been more historical...Joseph Smith, Mormon belief and culture, etc. Just replied to you on AN/I btw. I think you misread the IP's edit. Rachel was reverting a Mormon pushing a Mormon POV. (Note how the IP references "The Church" in caps.) ~Awilley (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

::::::Replied there. It was a compound edit, unfortunately, so I think the critique still stands.

::::::Anyhoo... back to more pleasant topics: the thing that is troubling with describing the Book of Mormon is that Joseph Smith (et al.) was pretty fast and loose with their "translating"... which seems to be a common apologetic rejoinder when it comes to anachronisms. Problem is: Wikipedia is supposed to be intelligible so I think we have to either (a) identify the anachronisms in the discussion or (b) figure out a way to use words that are broad enough to not cause confusion. Sure, "church" could mean "religious gathering" more broadly, but Nephites, I gather, are thought by most Mormons to have attended something similar to their own church services. As Hydrangeans pointed out, the concern over this feels like it is falling into apologetics, which it is. But it is also falling into the problem of specificity. The proper solution is probably to excise discussion that would get bogged down in these sorts of things in favor of clear high-level summary style.

::::::By the way, in researching all this, I found: [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fc50fb6x70z641.jpg] Don't know how much you like irreverant Mormon flowcharts, but I really enjoyed it.

::::::jps (talk) 22:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Ha! I'm reading Harry Potter to my kids right now, so I appreciate the house references. On the diff discussion, it was the "were you a fence sitter" part that Joseph Smith did not come up with but later leaders did.

:::::::Speaking of racism, that's a topic I struggle with when writing about Americans in the 1800s. I don't want to excuse it, but at the same time, literally everybody was racist back then by today's standards. So when I think about Mormonism, they're hardly unique in having racist policies from 1840 through the mid-1900s. What made the LDS Church unique is they held onto their racist policy all the way until 1978 and it took them until 2013 to apologize for it. I guess that's one downside of being a gerontocracy. I mean it's great to carry on some traditions, but others need to die. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for octogenarians...the accumulated experience and achievement and common sense...but on the flip side they are also pretty much set in their ways and resistant to change. (cough cough)

:::::::On how to treat anachronisms a) vs. b) I really don't know, and suspect it's best on a case-by-case basis. My personal preference is probably b). Find a way to make it intelligible to outsiders but still recognizable to believers.

:::::::My Wiki-time is over for today, so I probably won't be able to respond too much more. ~Awilley (talk) 22:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

::::::::There is pretty strong evidence that this traces to Smith. I put it in the response.

::::::::As far as racism goes, there is no excuse. It's just fact. The honest thing to do is admit it and be clear that basically the mucky-mucks were all inveterate racists. Same thing with the Founding Fathers of the US. And the fact that other white men were ridiculously racist is sidestepping the point. After all, weren't Founding Fathers and Mormons supposed to be better than everyone else according to their own doctrines?

::::::::Anyway, good to be honest about the past and not try to hide it. I see that on the LDS pages about their own racism. They need to do better. Maybe they will someday.

::::::::Glad you liked the flowchart in spite of its irreverance.

::::::::jps (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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  • Please stop scrubbing the words "LDS Church" and "Mormon" from articles: you mean my editions of the LDS edition of the Bible and Template:Latter-day Saints right?
  • First, the Church publishes the "Holy Bible", not the "LDS edition of the Bible", is ironic that you mention that "calling people "Latter-day Saints" out of the blue with no explanation is confusing to readers in our very broad audience, many of whom are completely unfamiliar with Mormonism and its WP:Jargon" but you think that the entry "The LDS edition of the Bible is a version of the Bible published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) in English, Spanish, and Portuguese" is good, implying that the readers know what LDS means. I think that entry is wrong for those two things that I said, but also because "Holy Bible" is the name that the Church uses, and you're wrong thinking that the entry I wrote was implying that the Church are the only ones who publish the book when I explicitly wrote "is a version of the Bible", where I wikilinked the word version. And no, I'm not removing the LDS word, as you can see in my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LDS_edition_of_the_Bible&oldid=1228541837 revision], I never removed any LDS word.
  • Second, in the template, Joseph Smith Translation is NOT part of the standard works, as you can see [https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/joseph-smith-translation-jst?lang=eng here]. Articles of Faith goes after Joseph Smith-History, not before. I don't understand why you also removed the List of Book of Mormon translations article link. And using Less-active Latter-day Saint, instead of Less-active Mormon, is because that, even that I know some of the references use Mormon (first because are old references and second because some newspapers are haters of the Church but I guess that can't be considered bias), there's references that use Latter-day Saints, and as you can see, the name of the template and main article is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", Latter-day Saints, and not the "Mormon Church", thus using Latter-day Saints would be fine since the use is not to short it (I'm not using "Less-active members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"), like the "LDS Church" use. And yes I know that some people knows about Saints in the Catholic Church, but is not the same name, neither the same meaning (Catholics are not Saints, and Catholics pray to dead Saints), and not everyone knows this, there's many people that are not Catholic, even that are not Christian, so I don't see this as problem to use "Latter-day Saint".
  • "Bible Videos" listed at Redirects for discussion: I added my comment.
  • Other: I saw you reverted the edition of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article that had Jesus Christ as the founder of the Church in the template, the Catholic Church article and other churches have Jesus Christ as the founder, but this one can't have it, doesn't makes this bias? We can simply write "Jesus Christ, according to the church", referencing it, and add a note that says "Joseph Smith is considered as the restorer and first president", with the reference. Also, I don't think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints&oldid=1228602768 that edition] was the best way to do this.

Greetings, I hope we can have an agreement to address these topics. Furawi (talk) 05:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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I am working on cleaning up unused templates listed at Special:UnusedTemplates. Of those, there is a sizable chunk of blank edit notices, many of which were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Awilley&namespace=10&tagfilter=&start=2021-04-01&end=2021-04-17&limit=1000 blanked by you in 2021]. I have been looking for a discussion about why those notices were blanked, but I have not found one yet.

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: Those edit notices were for listing article level sanctions (think something like a 1RR rule applied to everyone who edits an article) and I was removing those sanctions. I don't actually know the policy on whether blank edit notices should be deleted or not. At the time I found them useful as a way of tracking what sanctions had been applied to various pages...when, and what, and by whom. It was a bit of a mess. Now there's a new system for tracking that I'm not familiar with, and the stuff I was doing is probably old enough that few will ever care enough to try and track it. So I personally don't care if the templates are deleted or not. ~Awilley (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Downgrade protection for Donald Trump

I know, its reckless and stupid you might be thinking. Especially given all the news attention. But I can assure you that most vandals will not have the time to wait 96 hours and get to 10 edits just to vandalize for 30 seconds before a block. I suggest indef auto confirmed protection under a probationary period. 135.180.61.27 (talk) 05:50, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:Also the post 1992 contentious topic procedure did not specify extended-confirmed so it is at your own discretion whether the article should be downgraded. I personally think that it should given the reasons above. 135.180.61.27 (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, I don't think the extended-confirmed is only there for vandalism. There are a lot of autoconfirmed users out there who could easily flood the article with a ton of unhelpful edits that would put a strain on the relatively small number of people who are trying to keep things halfway encyclopedic. Not necessarily blockable vandalsim, but more knee-jerk reactions to the daily news cycle and POV pushing. ~Awilley (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

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Downgrade protection for [[Mike Pence]]

The page was indefinitely protected from vandalism. There has been no vandalism ever since it was protected. It should be pending-changes protected.

:If somebody at WP:RFPP thinks it's worth it to try pending changes on that high profile article, I won't object. I'm not currently up to speed on the current page protection meta, so I prefer to defer to someone who is. ~Awilley (talk) 02:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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