User talk:Barbara.steinberg#Blocked user request

:Hi Barbara, in response to your message: you're getting confused by the citation templates, yes. But that can be sorted out, it's just fiddly stuff. The comment about tone refers to things like your mention of "my father" and the fact it is a bit long and rambling. I see you've been working on things. Don't get discouraged. I suggest dividing it up into sections: an introductory paragraph followed by a section called Founding, a section on the performance seasons (not sure what I would head this, maybe the years? or different conductors' names if the orchestra changed conductor?) and then a section called Dissolution or End of the orchestra. (You could add a section called Legacy if you have at least one good source spelling out how the orchestra's having existed changed things.) In the introduction, mention that it was the first fully integrated orchestra in the United States. Then in each subsection, tell the facts first and have the quotations following those. That will make it more obviously structured. Note that it was failed for tone/structure, not because the references need soirting out, and not for being not obviously notable. So you're doing the right thing rewriting the text. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

::*Hi (found this from Yngvadottir's page). I'd love to have a go at editing the page- is that okay? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

:Barbara, you're very welcome. Xanthomelanoussprog has divided it into sections and done some copyediting. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

::Hi Barbara- thanks for your very kind words. I hope to do some more later on today- I'd like to reduce the amount of quoting if possible. 08:44, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hi again! (On break at work.) I have it watchlisted and saw how much work you were doing, and yes, I think it's ready to be resubmitted, so I'm glad you did. I had also had a problem with the image references, but I'm not sure it's exactly what you think - my problem is that I click on the link to the New York Times article and I just get an endlessly whirring New York Times "T". I suspect either you got the URL wrong or one needs to be a subscriber to see it. The reference is actually to the article, and references don't have to be online. Here is what I would write in the reference:

::Joan Peyser, "The Negro in Search of an Orchestra", The New York Times, November 26, 1967, [http://symphonyofthenewworld.com/category/new-york-times/ page image online by permission] at Symphonyoftheworld.com.

:The article also appears to be in the following book:

::Joan Peyser, The Music of My Time, Something about the music 1, White Plains, New York: Pro/AM Music Resources / London: Kahn & Averill, 1995, ISBN 9780912483993.

:--Google Books shows me it exists and then rejects its own URL. I have coded both of those so that if you choose you can just copy and paste them, wiki-code all ready. And remember those newspaper links up above - they also document the significance of the orchestra, as well as a few dates, names, and fundraising specifics. (And they're acceptable just like the New York Times.) Yngvadottir (talk) 12:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Responding again :-) If you have two of the yellow pending review templates, don't worry, they have a bot that cleans up things like that. (In fact I removed it from my talk page to spare the poor bot from having a conniption.) Also try not to worry about reference formatting - that can be fixed, and yes it is confusing. (I personally prefer not to use the citation templates because it takes me twice as long to remember what the fields are called and type the stuff in as it does to ... just type the stuff in. But I have long experience writing research papers, so I'm used to creating footnotes.) The NYT article is the actual citation, which is why I suggested also mentioning that it appears in the book. The blog image is just a convenience to the reader who doesn't have access to the original, so in that instance I see nothing wrong with linking to the blog - but you need to give full information on the article. Anyway, I will try to look at the draft myself and see how I can help; remember, it usually takes a while for them to be reviewed; but the two of you have done the heavy lifting, so I would say there's a good chance it will get passed this time anyway. And remember there are lots of editors; most of my articles have had help of various kinds from a whole bunch of people. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

:Hmmmm one point. You say you uploaded the image of the flyer at Commons - but the Times gave the orchestra permission to use the image on the flyer, they didn't surrender rights to it completely, so it's not legal to have on Commons (which requires images to be freely reusable for any purpose, including commercial, and images derived from someone else's property don't qualify because the creator of the derivative image doesn't have the right to grant that), and it probably isn't allowable on en.wikipedia as "fair use" either (Commons doesn't host "fair use" images), because the article does not discuss the Times article or the appearance of that page. So someone is probably going to propose it for deletion on Commons. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

::*Hi Barbara. No, you haven't lost my favor {{smiley}}- haven't been near a computer all day (temperature managed to get over 20 degrees and it hasn't rained!) Good luck with the submission. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

::*Barbara, we can carry on improving it. I'll have to look tonight or tomorrow, however; offline commitments (and a very peculiar schedule). And as you can see from my edit history, I get around ... But try not to worry, I really think this is notable enough and may pass this time; if not, we'll try again. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

:::*Hi Barbara- congratulations!!! Thanks for the flowers, balloons- I only played a small part in the big push! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks also to Xanthomelanoussprog and Yngvadottir for their useful and helpful feedback in improving this article. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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As you see, I finally had time to do some work on the article, including putting in more press references. (There may well be material in Google Books too; I have yet to look.) If you see anyone else mentioned in the article who has a Wikipedia article but hasn't been linked, please add the link! I was happy to see we had articles on a number of people. But there's one glaring exception - your father. I can't read the New York Times obituary because I've apparently already exceeded my allotment for the month; I'm hoping to be able to see the full text in July. I also found a very short Associated Press biography. Those strongly suggest he's notable. Do you know of any other sources on him - is there anything in Variety for example? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Barbara, please make an edit on this Talk page, so that you can be exempted from the IP block affecting your ability to edit. Or, you can submit your unblock request at- WP:UTRS.  JGHowes  ^talk 15:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for your help. JGHowes and DoRD (Barbara.steinberg (talk) 20:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC))

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