User talk:Bearian/ArchivesJuly2008

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Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.

See you around the wiki!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You said of vandalism what do you mean about vandalizing a page?

--Check77 (talk) 18:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you, Bearian, for your support !vote at my RFA. {{#ifeq:support|support|I will be doing my best to make sure that your confidence has not been misplaced.|{{#ifeq:support|neutral|I will keep in mind the issues you raised and hope that you do not believe the community has misplaced their trust in me.|I will learn from the issues you raised and, in the future, I hope to show you that your concerns have been eliminated.}}}} --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

--Check77 (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you voted twice at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Frank#Neutral. Gary King (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

: It's too late anyways; it just closed. If it happens again, you can just cross one of them out :) Gary King (talk) 00:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

could you please check them out to see if you can spruce them up? --TheGreenGorilla (talk) 01:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:Was browsing TGG's talk page and saw your request for info about the article; if you look [http://www.fallingrain.com/world/NM/0/Qiryat_Moshe.html here] there's info on the location :). Ironholds 01:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

hey thanks bearian for using this to save the article or stub. thanks --TheGreenGorilla (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Bearian--

Hi. I see you changed back this page after my recent edit,

and then put the following on my talk page:

"If you make major changes, you should discuss them and your reasoning at Talk:State University of New York at New Paltz. Bearian (talk) 18:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)"

Sorry, but I thought I had. I edited the talk page for

SUNY New Paltz as follows, go see for yourself?

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Student Leader Controversy Section

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So I admit to being on the SUNY New Paltz faculty. But I think I have a halfway neutral viewpoint, despite that. My opinion is that the entire "Controversy" section should be made part of the History section. I went and looked at the Wikipedia page for UC Berkeley, which is famous for controversy. That's what was done there. It seems to me that putting that material in a separate section violates NPOV by giving it more prominence than it merits. DavidHobby (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

O.K., I'm going to do it. If you don't like the changes, please reply? DavidHobby (talk) 00:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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Is there something I should have done to make my intentions

more visible? I'm happy to talk about changes first!

DavidHobby (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I´ve already have a question. Insane. This is it: I´m trying to create a page for "Luis Franco", argentine poete and writer. I went ahead and created Luis Franco (Argentine Writer) but i´m not happy with the fact that if you search Luis Franco you en up with a Cuban Boxer and no other alternatives. What can I do? How can a list or move the writer to appear at the same time as the boxer. Help! Thank you. Sabonarola —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabonarola (talk • contribs) 04:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway! :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for the heads-up about the RfA questionnaire--I managed to get mine in (albeit a little on the late side), so hopefully it'll be of some help. More importantly, I'm glad to see that you're back to your old genki self. Be sure and drink lots of green tea--it's some of the best stuff out there :) --jonny-mt 05:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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Wanted me to leave you a message requesting a 24 hour unblock to change his username. Thanks! --FancyMustard (talk) 20:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for unblocking me to request a change. How long does a user name change generally take? --FatChicksNeedLoveToo (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::That took way too long :-), thanks for helping me out, have a good one! >>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Sounds good, which part of that did you want me to see? >>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, About notability, I think that he should be considered a notable person because he shows up on multiple other websites confirming who he is and what he has done, and he has a relatively popular internet series. He is more notable than some of the people who show up on the pages of wikipedia, and if anything is this not a website for being able to look up what and who you want to learn about? I think he has enough to qualify him for that. I can look for more external references and add them to the page if necesary. Also, if you google him, there are pages upon pages about him that come up.

Thank you,

Zacq12 (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Busy,

what is all this about?

Bearian (talk) 23:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

90.62.212.47 (talk) 12:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey Bearian. I was wondering if you could help me regarding my Stephen Arnold page which has been deleted twice. I have been advised twice on what to do, but I'm new to Wiki and can't navigate through very quickly. You seem to be a nice guy and I was wondering if you could help in anyway.

Timesrunningout (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You sir are a true gentleman! Thank you so so much. DO we just wait now? I still have everything I posted in a Word doc if that helps?

Timesrunningout (talk) 22:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey. I labeled the article as possible COI because it appears to be autobiographical, based on the creator's username and the tone of the article. The COI in that case would be the same as in all autobiographical articles, namely that the creator has a strong and obvious motivation in promoting the subject. Use your own judgment, of course, but if you do disagree I'd be interested to hear the rationale. Mycroft7 (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that journal is notable either, but a majority (that is, two-to-one) of editors on Talk:Chiropractic #Forest of red links do think it's notable, which is why I have added it. Could you please follow up there? Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: Thanks for following up. If that article needs tagging, it's quite possible the other articles mentioned in the bullet list in Talk:Chiropractic #Forest of red links need tagging. Eubulides (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks Bearian! Glad you appreciate my mercilessness towards spammers. :-) Keep up the good work yourself. Best regards, Húsönd 00:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed the PROD template from this page. I did just a tiny bit more digging and the subject appears to be notable enough per WP:BIO to merit her own Wiki article. (She's a published author, professor, radio news personality, award-winning documentary maker, founder and president of a charity, board member of several other charities, and an award-winning journalist. Then again, maybe I am just getting fooled by her clever PR agent! :-) I added some more info about her, but from my limited research, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg - well, maybe a small iceberg. -- Levine2112 ^discuss 01:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Why did you protect this article? I'm not seeing any edit war or even unsavory conduct from IPs... am I missing something, or is this purely pre-emptive? --Golbez (talk) 06:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Chanandler is now continuing his marketing war on both La Fee Absinthe and Absinthe. You recently warned him (thank you for that!). He should be blocked. Wahrmund (talk) 20:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

See links. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Elmer-DeWitt bio page'''

Sir, Several years ago -- before I knew better -- I created a bio page about myself. You have marked it as a candidate for deletion. That is one option. Alternatively, we might cut it back as appropriate and bring it up to date (I have since retired from Time Inc. and am blogging full time.) Your call.

Thanks for your attention.

Philip Elmer-DeWitt

ped@mac.com

Bearian: Thanks for your quick response. We probably passed each other in the elevators at some point. I'm eager to see what you make of my humble entry. Let me know if you need any reference material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philiped (talk • contribs) 18:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I added citations for everything but where I worked before TIME Inc. I'll keep looking. Meanwhile, can we get rid of some of those notes at the top of the item? Philiped (talk) 16:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your support at my RFA; it has closed now, and I was successful. Yes, there are concerns about admin coaching, and the more I think about it, the more I realise that they are probably right. However, I should say that I am gratified that you did not see it as an issue, and I shall do my best to ensure that I don't do anything to make you regret supporting me. Once again, thank you. StephenBuxton (talk) 23:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for including the link sporgery in the Scientology page. It clears a lot: the word 'sporgery' is not but it should be included in the list of new words of the language for the decade 2000-2010. In any case, it is in Wikipedia. JDPhD (talk) 15:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I saw that you changed the status on that. I have no problem with that. I just see soooo much youtube and myspace garbage get posted. :-) I will let others sort it out. Thanks for the heads up! chiefhuggybear (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Glad you liked. Hopefully, some people will actually take this advice to heart and start contributing to the encyclopedia. Ah, I can dream, can't I? :) Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I can live with the decision for now. I do not go to WP:DRV. But if he does get more notoriety, I reserve the right to re-create it later (after October 1, 2008) if he gains more notability; see WP:CCC. Bearian (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:If/when the sources support notability just ask and I'll restore the article. Gnangarra 06:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Nuvola apps important.svg A page you created, :Pinelands high, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is very short and provides little or no context.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thanks. ukexpat (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you could help me, since you are an Administrator and everything. I just have a question or two, so if you could spare some time (I noticed you are a lawyer and therefore busy) and help out just a lowly newbie let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpmanson (talk • contribs) 00:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good....is there a way i can contact you with questions...or know when your online? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpmanson (talk • contribs) 22:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I would like to finish my article before people continue deleting it I am not advertising any business I am merely sharing facts thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrotzien (talk • contribs) 19:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't do much new research into the issue, what I did is put together a number of disseparate summaries of the issue that were spread across multiple Wikipedia articles. I drew mostly from Economic and political boycotts of Israel‎ and Disinvestment#Israel. Feel free to contribute more stuff. There is criticism within some of the sections if you read through it, but you are right that there is no section entitled "Criticism." I didn't set out to make an argument for or against, I just tied to report what has been happening while sticking as close as possible to the sources used. --John Bahrain (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:I removed the verify tag, although if you can explain what your issue is with the citations I am accomidating, I think I just misunderstand you at the moment.

:BTW the one thing that is glaringly obviously missing from wikipedia is an article on Selective disinvestment/Selective divestment. Right now there is a Disinvestment article, but it doesn't cover the more specific types of campaigns that most where seeking in this specific situation.

:The second issue I am noticing is that the article Economic and political boycotts of Israel‎ is confused and combined too many separate topics into one. I think that the Arab League boycott of Israel should be its own article. This specific change alone would significantly reduce the confusion in Economic and political boycotts of Israel‎. (Although the section that covers disinvestment in that article mixes in talk of a product boycott so that it is unclear really which criticisms apply to which action.) --John Bahrain (talk) 19:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The Cambridge History of Italian Literature (Cambridge University Press, 1999) wasn't good enough? Tough crowd. I'll try again if I get ahold of more details of his career. Thanks. --Galorette (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Just curious, but when you blocked User:Nefbmn you disabled e-mail for the user and I'm kinda' wondering why. Cheers. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 15:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I've added references to the sources I used to write my stub. Let others do what they will with the information I've provided. Patrick Schwemmer (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

this is user Nefbmn, i was just blocked by you , some of the reasons lifted, trolling, messing with biographies of living persons, and privacy violations, i dont remember deliberately creating multiple accounts, messing with ANY wikipedia article with my Nefbmn account, and i said on that account, i didnt plan to do any more editing on articles, and i had not done so for my pas two accounts, and aren't talk pages palces for opinions? i was not editing articles, to broadcast information to the world. also, considering the fact that i do NOT have a static ip, its quite easy to get another ip address, blocking is usless, yet i had not made any statements on my previous account after david dleted them, and i was accused of "soapboxing" and then i was later accused of something else, never mind about contributions, it was someoen else messing with it

:Thanks for telling us. IP blocked for 48 hours. Cheers! --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 16:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

why did you propose deletion for my Latino acid country rap infused pop/punk page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krat1234 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Librarycharlie (talk) 22:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I would like to politely request an unprotection of the discussion page for Howard Schwartz (writer and editor).

The information in his article is a simple publication list in the most common format (MLA) used among poets and writers. It is publically accessible and collectible data, and any two lists in the same format will be identical (barring errors). The bot used for detecting plagiarism does correctly identify one other source for the same information. While it could be sorted in some other fashion, I have spoken to the author himself regarding the list, which he does not object to placing on the wikipedia, and I am personally the webmaster for the author's own website (where the same list is published similarly).

The previous protection was brought about by an accusation of "blatant" plagiarism of a page that I had personally posted to the author's website, and correctly identified in the wiki article directly above the quoted text. This text, identifying the author's significance, has been replaced by original text and sources.

Personally, I think the information on what he has published is entirely relevant and necessary to a discussion of an author who has been publishing books for more than a third of a century. I would like to put information like this on the discussion page accompanying the article, but cannot do so because it has been locked.

Bearian do you see a similarity between http://suitelife.wikia.com/wiki/The_Suite_Life_on_Deck and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Suite_Life_on_Deck and would you consider it plagarism from wikipedia? User:KoziKaz 26 July 2008

Thanks for the protection. I thought a range block would be a stretch, but it was worth asking about. At least the guy isn't making himself hard to find. --Onorem♠Dil 23:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe that http://suitelife.wikia.com/wiki/The_Suite_Life_on_Deck is at fault because many of their information is from wikipedia. Also I talked with them and they stated that is was O.K. to copy from wikipedia. User:KoziKaz 28 July 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an admin (I used to be, though). You're free to nominate me, but I'd prefer if it wasn't now, given the drama that I'm a part of now :( Sceptre ^(talk) 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow! How did you do that? I was just figuring out how to phrase my request for protection comment when I refreshed the page and saw that you had protected it. You must have hacked my brain. Thanks for protecting the page. Maybe it'll be a bit more sane after the newness of TDK wears off. —Archon Magnus^{(Talk | Home)} 00:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Why so serious? EchetusXe (talk) 02:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for being weak and having lowered standards with me. --Moni3 (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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