User talk:Bensebgli#Standard unblock request

{{unblock reviewed|decline=The discussion below indicated that a topic ban was a requirement for an unblock. You have said that you don't want to accept a topic ban. For this reason, I am declining your request. PhilKnight (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC) | reason= I was blocked in April 2023 for sockpuppetry. After the block of this account, I created and misused another account to fix and remove deletion tags from my own created pages. I was not aware that I breached Wikipedia's policy that said only one account at a time is allowed by committing sockpuppetry. I extremely apologize for the disruption, and I request a fair chance to return according to the standard offer as for the last 20-21 months I didn't commit any sockpuppetry. I will not do this again. I'll only use one single account. I'll also read and follow other Wikipedia's policies. Please check my sockpuppet investigations casepage or my IP's details It will assure I didn't commit sockpuppetry for more then 6 months. Best Regards ! Bensebgli (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)|idletimestamp=20250223063356}}

{{tlx|checkuser needed}}: Relevant SPI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bensebgli/Archive. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

:: Checkuser doesn't show any obvious abuse of multiple accounts. PhilKnight (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Would you be able to speak to any of the original reasons you were blocked, including claiming you're an LLM (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hanshingling&diff=prev&oldid=1151194833 here])? I recommend referring to your original talk page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 06:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:Hanshingling was my account, I used it later when my main Bensebgli account was blocked, and I used this account mainly for adding sources and improving my own created articles that I created for using the Bensebgli account, and I removed deletion tags from such pages. On User talk:Hensebgling, I used free ChatGPT for compiling a reply to User:Kuru's message. ChatGPT was quite new in 2023, & I wasn't aware that we could not compile replies or create articles using ChatGPT. Because it add many grammar mistakes, and it also add promotional words/original research.

:I didn't use any Chatgpt for creating any articles I only used Chatgpt for replies to comments/notice on my talk page. Hanshanglig account was blocked for 1 week for using Chatgpt in talk page discussion then SPI was filed against my account Hangshingling and CU data confirm my account being sock of Bensebgli so my account was identity blocked. Bensebgli (talk) 15:50, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:@Significa liberdade, @PhilKnight Kindly accept my unblock request I assure I will not use Chatgpt again to compile any replies for talk page discussions as I assured through my behavior I didn't commit Sockpuppetry in the last 20-21 months. Thank you very much. Bensebgli (talk) 16:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Doug Weller}} - how do you feel about a possible unblock? PhilKnight (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:::There were other issues. See [Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive352#Cleanup of articles after]. Among other things it mentions sourcing problems. I am concerned about their ability to deal with caste/clan articles objectively. Doug Weller talk 18:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::@Doug Weller Please I request you to allow me to make a fair return using my one and the only main account without commiting any Sockpuppetry. As I was blocked by you after a CU check I request you to please allow me for a fair chance to return. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive352#Cleanup of articles after In this thread filer raised one issue that as I used Chatgpt and added unsourced list of people randomly to clan article so it needs cleanup according to filer he thought there is chance I also used Chatgpt for creating any article but I didn't any admins can also check my delete pages. Bensebgli (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:* I would recommend rejecting the block appeal as it stands because it is not an accurate portrayal of the editor's socking and disruption. They say that {{tq|I created and misused another account}} and {{tq|I was not aware that I breached Wikipedia's [socking] policy}}, which at best explains the creation of the {{user|Hanshingling}} account but not all the sock accounts that were subsequently created including {{user|BonzonEllite}}, {{user|Oku Ali}}, and {{user|ShriBalajji}}. And as I noted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bensebgli&diff=prev&oldid=1156078063 at the SPI], the socking is unlikely to have started with the Bensebgli account and is likely linked to a yet older SPI case.

:: Secondly, apart from the socking the user's editing has been disruptive in the ever-contentious caste-area (eg, see this and this ANI reports and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bensebgli&oldid=1152022407 summary at SPI]), which led to my blocking the editor's account even before the socking was discovered. So if this or a subsequent block appeal is accepted, I would recommend a topic ban from South Asian social groups related content. Abecedare (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::: {{ping|Bensebgli}} - what are your thoughts about a topic ban from South Asian social groups related content? PhilKnight (talk) 19:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Honestly speaking If have to apologize everything single admins those previouly blocked my sock accounts under Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bensebgli/Archive. I'm ready to apologize and assure them I will not use LLM/Chatgtp for replying any talk page discussions, I will not add unsourced list of people to any tribe/clan article. Otherwise I can wait for next more 6 months but "topic ban from South Asian social groups related content". Is not a fair chance of return. So kindly unblock me for a short period of time without topic banned or unblock me on draft space articles when I'll succedd to gain trust of involved admins I'll ask again for the complete unblock? As my main contribution was only related to tribe/clan or community related pages so if I'll be topic banned in this area there is no meaning to login again or use this account again😭. It's my humble request unblock me without topic ban in South Asian social groups related area that was, still & will remain my main area of interest. If not then allow me make edits only in draft space articles after gaining involved admins's trust I'll ask for complete unblock, or I can wait for next 6 months to appeal again. Bensebgli (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::@PhilKnight As I want to be unblock but without topic ban, so now I have to unblock request again after 6 months? Because I don't want to loose my talk page access to appeal unblock requests as some admins will revoke my talk page access? if I'll again post unblock appeal for one or more times. Bensebgli (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: You are free to post another unblock request, but if that is declined because you don't want a topic ban, I would be more cautious about posting another request. PhilKnight (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::First of all I'd like to thanks all involved admins (@Significa liberdade, @Abecedare, @Doug Weller, @PhilKnight) for their time, help and concerns they raised here and I'd like to apologize that my past disruption made bad impression regarding my competency in the south asian community related area.

:::::::::@PhilKnight As I want to unblock without a topic ban I have to wait for next 6 months? Then if I'll post again unblock request with all explanations regarding disruptions I made in past & raised by admins here then is there any chance I'll be able to unblock with the condition of without topic ban? Or only unblock in draft space articles first?. Or if I again appeal & I'll accept unblock with with a Topic so how long this topic ban will be indefinitely or for a fixed period of time? Bensebgli (talk) 20:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::The six month waiting period only applies to building community trust related to sockpuppetry. It does not apply to other block rationale. Especially given that you are blocked for disruptive edits in a designated contentious topic, the best route to being unblocked would be to accept a TBAN and earn the community's trust in your editing before returning to editing a contentious topic. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::As you said waiting for 6 months period of time to appeal again is only related to sockpuppetry not related to disruptive edits. So if I'll accept this TBAN how long this topic ban will exist? As my total number of edits were only 30 or 35 when I was blocked so how long this TBAN will be? Bensebgli (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::: A topic ban would be indefinite, but appealable after 6 months. PhilKnight (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::@PhilKnight Is it possible a Topic ban only in India Pakistan related social groups and not about all south Asian groups? One more question or is it possible if I accept TBAN under whatever circumstances admin put TBAN but without the condition of appeal even after 6 months please? As even after doing nothing wrong, not commiting any disruption or Sockpuppetry in last 20-21 months do I'm not even eligible for a TBAN without condition of appeal even after six months 😭? As I see TBAN appeals are more harder then our expectations and Unblock appeals. If it's possible I'd like to try my next unblock appeal. Bensebgli (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Making 30-35 edits that were disruptive according to respectable admins (Abecedare & Doug Weller). Just for 30-35 edits even when I was not even aware how to edit Wikipedia or hasn't learn anything about Wikipedia policies I'm subject to topic ban for indefinite (with condition of hard appeal after 6 months)? Instead of 2 or 3 months? those might be enough to gain admins trust. This is not a fair chance of return unfortunately😭. Bensebgli (talk) 23:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::@PhilKnight I have changed my decision and asked for an unblock with TBAN😥 with the condition of appealable or unappealable according to admins's final decision those previouly blocked my sock accounts. Bensebgli (talk) 16:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:::@Abecedare, Yes that's true I created these all accounts (User:BonzonEllite User:Oku Ali, User:ShriBalajji, User: Hanshanglig) and commit sockpuppetry but when I request for the unlock I didn't add any particular account but my main account was Bensebgli. This investigation is not related to my accounts any another CU can confirm. I already committed that I did use Chatgpt for compiling replies to talk page notices which was my mistake I apologize. Being honest please trust me I only used Chatgtp in replying one of your talk page notice and also replying to User: Kuru's notice after use of Chatgtp I remember you blocked my account. Caste based topic banned is not a fair chance of return when I fairly admit & clear everything if I have to apologize to all admins those have blocked my sock and this account I can apologize. Bensebgli (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::I don’t see any reason to believe you will change your behaviour. If you won’t accept a topic ban I won’t support an unblock. Doug Weller talk 19:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::I can understand it's hard for you to believe that I will chance my behavior for now I only have to say kindly trust me though my words or promise. I'll change my behavior through positive contribution and I'll work on gaining your trust. But you can support the unblock on the condition first I'll gain trust of involved admins through making constructive addition to draft space articles only? then if I'll succedd I'll ask for the unblock also on main space articles. For last time I'll only request please if possible don't support topic ban in South Asian social groups against my account. It will be meaningless for myself after a topic ban in the area where I committed sockpuppetry & contribute using 3-4 accounts, that was my main area of interest. May God gives you long, peaceful healthy life to you and your family. Bensebgli (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Am I getting this right, Bensebgli: you won't accept a topic ban from South Asian social groups, because South Asian social groups are all you ever want to edit about on Wikipedia? I have to say that's an unexpected sole interest. The English Wikipedia has 7 million articles. Is there really nothing else here that interests you? Have I misunderstood you? Bishonen | tålk 20:59, 23 February 2025 (UTC).

:::::::@Bishonen Thank you very much for asking me to explain basically when I rejected TBAN I thought if I'll wait for 6 months without commiting any sockpuppetry I'll gain the admins's trust and they will maybe allow me to return with a fair chance. When I'll appeal again after six months without any sockpuppetry or disruption but User:Significa liberdade explained me 6 months period of time only related to sockpuppetry not to past disruptive editing. Honestly speaking the area were I contributed before was more close to my heart or interest. I'm also not aware how long TBAN will be when my account was blocked I made only 30-35 edits. If I'm not wrong TBAN asked by admins was related to all articles related to south Asian countries (Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Bangladesh)? or TBAN asked by admins was related to South Asian social groups (means all community pages related to castes, community, social groups of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka)? but for a period of time? I don't know about the period of time maybe valid for a account that was blocked after 30-35 edits. Bensebgli (talk) 21:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::@Bishonen@Doug Weller@PhilKnight If I'm not going to unblock after admitting my all mistakes, even accepting TBAN under all conditions without any excuse or wasting any admin's time. Then what is the way or method? I didn't commit any sockpuppetry for the last 20-21 months, CU test was also ran against my account. I admit my all past mistakes, disclosed my all accounts those were all blocked untill July 2023. If still I cannot be unblock then what is the way? What should I do now? Please reply me what is the policy/rule of Wikipedia for such a user? Who admit everything and asked for second chance to return. Do I need to post my appeal at ANi? Or WP:ADMINS ? Bensebgli (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Vanamonde93 please any admin can answer me what is the process to appeal my unblock? How I can be unblock? Please if possible any admin can confirm I didn't commit sockpuppetry for last 20-21 months please unblock me or guide me where I need to appeal my block? I can provide my all details through email then through email any admin can confirm I didn't violate any Wikipedia rules and didn't commit sockpuppetry for the last 20-21 months. Bensebgli (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I don't understand why you are pinging me specifically. Your appeal is under consideration by the community, and after a few days an administrator will assess what the community's decision is, per WP:CBAN and WP:CONSENSUS. If you wish to return to editing without restrictions, it is probably best if you demonstrate that you can make useful contributions in a less contentious area than you had previously worked in. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::@Vanamonde93 I see your https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1280530925 comment at WP:AN. I pinged you for asking for the guidance that more then one my sock accounts were blocked so any admin was not agree to unblock me without TBAN now I'm okay with all kind of TBAN. But you can see my AN case where 2 EC users Dympies & NXcrypto cast their vote in oppose. I think there admins maybe are not going to comments on my unblock request in the support or oppose. Maybe I'll not achieve consensus for my unblock at AN by admins. I just want to ask you if my request due to lack in consensus for unblock support will be rejected at WP:AN due to oppose by EC users then I need to post my request at WP:ARE, WP:ANI or maybe at WP:ADMINS? 'Basically my only reason to ping you was to ask you that if my request will be rejected at WP:AN then what next I have to to do? Where I need to appeal my block because I have done all things as first NXcrypto advised me to my case at WP:AN. Then admin Abecedare helped me in posting my case at AN.' Bensebgli (talk) 20:32, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::I'm afraid you are a textbook example of what I referred to in the last part of the comment you saw. You used LLMs to create content (meaning the content is bad) and you repeatedly violated the sockpuppetry policy (meaning we cannot trust what you say about where you used LLMs). The content you worked on is therefore likely to be removed. If you wish to edit Wikipedia, you need to show you are willing to follow our policies: in this case it means accepting that the content you added may be removed, and accepting that you may not be unblocked right away. If your appeal is denied, there is not a higher authority you can appeal to. What you would need to do is a) never make another sock; b) wait for a few months and file another, more convincing appeal; and c) if that is granted, show that you will work constructively, so you may eventually be trusted in contentious areas again. I cannot guarantee that that will happen; by making as many socks as you did you have made life very difficult for yourself. Oh, and don't ever use an LLM to write an appeal. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::@Vanamonde93 Thanks for the advice and guidance. Basically I only used Chatgtp to compile a reply to talk page notices for twice. One time I used Chatgtp to reply to Abecedare's block notice and second time to reply to User:Kuru's notice. Any stub articles I created using my sock accounts or this account was not ever written by any LLM those are all deleted under WP:G5. So when I used Chatgtp in 2023 Chatgtp was new in the market of AI but I only used it to compile talk page notices. I didn't used it again, will also not use in the future. Any of my stub articles was not written by Chatgtp.

:::::::::::::If I'll be unblock I'll edits drafts, or other areas of BLP, Sport, Geography, Medicines, LGBTQ, Cinema or maybe other areas but not community/caste without earnings community's trust. Also I worked hard on the promise that I'll not commit sockpuppetry ever and I'll stick to one single account but if do you have CU right you can check I didn't really commit sockpuppetry for the last 20-21 months and you can also check using www.GPTzero.com any of my appeal is not LLM's generated. Bensebgli (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Vanamonde93, I have been struggling to get unblocked from 21 February till 20 March 2025. I'm really ashamed of my past sockpuppetry and mistakes, and I want to say sorry for them. I promise I will not make another account again. I will learn Wikipedia policies and will follow them. Please check my unblock request at WP:AN. Just like other users, I also need a second chance; if it is okay for you, kindly post your comment there in support or oppose. Thank you. Bensebgli (talk) 21:02, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Given the number of socks you created, you cannot expect to be unblocked immediately. Perhaps this appeal will be granted, but if it isn't you may need to wait six months or longer: often that's the minimum we expect from a blocked sock, per the standard offer. Pinging every editor you see editing AN is annoying - please stop doing that. I will not be commenting on your appeal, not after you have repeatedly pinged me to something I had no involvement in. Vanamonde93 (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Doug Weller I'm really sorry for committing my past mistakes and sockpuppetry and hurt you by again and again asking for the second chance. I can understand you are not well and my comments are disturbing for you but I want to say just for the last time that I'm okay with all kind of TBAN, as admin: Abecedare asked me to take my case at WP:AN I took it. But still I think no one want to believe me after all the disheartenment I'd like to only ask that if you cannot unblock me any other admins cannot unblock me even on WP:AN any admin cannot unblock me then where I have to appeal my block? Is there any possibility or the process to ask rightly for the unblock? Bensebgli (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Please stop pinging editors, it’s irritating. Doug Weller talk 19:53, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Im really sorry for the disturbance. Bensebgli (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Unblock|I'd like to appeal my block, please unblock me, and consider my request to post on WP:AN. This is my main account, but Hanshingling, OkuAli, ShriBhala Ji, BonzonElite SanjeevModdi, أسامة بن عبد الله وليد, & TonnyJ accounts were blocked for committing sockpuppetry. I admit all my past mistakes, including committing sockpuppetry, using ChatGPT for 2 talk page replies, and disruptive editing. I'm really ashamed for doing all these past mistakes. In the last 20-21 months, I didn't commit any sockpuppetry through the last CU run; it was confirmed by an admin.

On Hanshingling, I twice used ChatGPT for compiling replies to talk page notices, one to Abecedare's block notice and one to Kuru's notice. In 2022 ChatGPT was new; I wasn't aware that we should not use GPT for compiling any replies or writing on Wiki. My main account, Bensebgli, was blocked for disruptive editing on 27 April 2023. In my recent unblock appeal, two admins who blocked my sock accounts (Abecedare & Dough Weller) agreed only on the condition that if I accepted TBAN in the WP:GSCASTE area, then it would be okay for my account to be unblocked; otherwise, it would not. Which I first refused to accept, but after reading WP: GSCASTE and other TBAN conditions, I'm okay with TBAN. Kindly unblock me and lend me a last chance to earn the Wikipedia community's trust through my productive contributions.

I'd request to involved and uninvolved admins kindly consider my unblock request. If you guys can give me a last chance to return, I'll follow all the guidelines, and I'll follow my TBAN whatever community you impose against my account, and through my clean/productive contributions, I'll prove that your given chance was an opportunity.'If I'll be unblocked, I'd like to contribute to BLP, Media, Entertainment, Sport, Science, Transport, Geography, History, Technology, Education, LGBTQ, or Medical fields. ' Bensebgli (talk) 09:04, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I have copied your unblock request to AN. Abecedare (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for the help. Bensebgli (talk) 07:44, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:I have already disclosed all my accounts. In my recent comments, I already explained Johnbendenz or Anujror are not related to my account in any sense. If anyone wants to examine CU or other tests, I can help CU admin in this test. Johnbendenz first edited in May 2022, one year before me, on Wikipedia. But I started editing from March 2023 onward July 2023, on Wikipedia through my Bensebgli and sock accounts; those were all blocked in July 2023. Anujror has also been editing Wikipedia for the last 3-4 years. We can check their edit history, and Anujror's investigation page is full of evidence that this user is still today committing sockpuppetry, and he is not linked to my account in any sense. Also, this or other IPs are blocked for continuing spam and socking from different groups. Any IP is not blocked as a sock of Bensebgli by any admin. I didn't commit sockpuppetry through any account or IP in the last 20-21 months. Bensebgli (talk) 07:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Significa liberdade, @Phil Knight please help me in posting my last reply on WP:AN. Thank you. Bensebgli (talk) 07:29, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:::From 21 February 2025 till 17 March 2025, I'm still waiting for the unblock. Please give me a chance Just like many other users, I also need a chance to return. Doug Weller, Abecedare, Philknight Being involved, admins, please you guys can comment on my request at WP:AN? I'm okay with all kinds of TBAN or sanctions as you guys in my first request recommend TBAN in GSCASTE articles. If you guys have not changed your mind or maybe changed your mind, please, if possible, give your comment on my unblock request. If you guys want to give me a last chance or want to oppose, it's my request. Bensebgli (talk) 09:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)