User talk:CSGinger14

File:Information.svg Hello, I'm Pablomartinez. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John%20Handley%20High%20School&diff=825666991 this edit] to :John Handley High School— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. PabloMartinez (talk) 18:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, you re-added an opinion piece as a source in this article. I've removed it again because opinion pieces should not be cited as a source except to verify that particular's writer's opinion, see WP:NEWSOPED. To source views on Francis's stance towards the traditional mass, we'd need a non-opinion source, such as a reputable obituary. Sandstein 06:55, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi all. If anyone could assist me in creating shortened footnote references for these two citations in source editor, it would be greatly appreciated. Pages and works other than this need to be cited, but if an example for these two types of source could be provided (Journals–in which a source would appear as a specific part of a broadly based work, and thus need to be noted as appearing at that point in the text as well as laying out pertinent information in multiple sections of the text; and Books located in a database, which similarly require additional referencing (ISBN/Dating/etc.)) for "References" it would be quite helpful. An example of how to add in the fact that you got it from a PDF (or how to add that PDF if it doesn't break copyright law) would be helpful as well.

Refs:

{{Cite book |last=de Luna |first=Kathryn |title=Collecting Food, Cultivating People: Subsistence and Society in Central Africa |date=2016 |publisher=Yale University Press |isbn=978-0-300-22516-7 |location=United States |pages=1-230: p. 52-53 |language=English}}{{Cite journal |last=Grollemund |first=Rebecca |last2=Schoenbrun |first2=David |last3=Vansina |first3=Jan |date=2023 |orig-date=2022-12-07 |title=Moving Histories: Bantu Language Expansions, Eclectic Economies, and Mobilities |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/moving-histories-bantu-language-expansions-eclectic-economies-and-mobilities/F9F92F9C6A16A9633E75508E836C9C46 |journal=The Journal of African History |language=en |volume=64 |issue=1 |page= |pages=13–37 |doi=10.1017/S0021853722000780 |issn=0021-8537 |ref=1}}

CSGinger14 (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi CSGinger14. I've added the {{t|talkref}} tag below to place your two references into a typical reference box, corresponding to the conventional references section of an article. I see that your has both the full number of pages in the book (i.e. 230) and the page number you are actually citing (i.e. 52–53). Normally, I would only put the full reference into the text where first used, which will place it in the references section and use the {{t|rp}} template, so the reference in the text would be{{rp|52–53}}, with possibly another reference later using different page numbers cited as{{rp|152–157}}, say. Doing the same thing as shortened footnotes is a bit of a pain and if you are drafting a new article then, frankly, I wouldn't bother! I'll need to start a new section to demonstrate how the same referencing using sfn works, which I'll do in a few minutes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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Here is the first fact cited to de Luna.{{sfn |de Luna |2017 |pp=52–53}} Now there is a fact cited to the journal.{{sfn |Grollemund |Schoenbrun | Vansina |2023 | p=10 }} Now another from the book on a different page.{{sfn |de Luna |2017 |pp=60}} and one from the journal again.{{sfn |Grollemund |Schoenbrun | Vansina |2023 | p=35 }}

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• {{Cite book |last=de Luna |first=Kathryn |title=Collecting Food, Cultivating People: Subsistence and Society in Central Africa |date=2017 |publisher=Yale University Press |isbn=978-0-300-22516-7 |location=United States |pages=1-230 |language=English}}
• {{Cite journal |last=Grollemund |first=Rebecca |last2=Schoenbrun |first2=David |last3=Vansina |first3=Jan |date=2023 |orig-date=2022-12-07 |title=Moving Histories: Bantu Language Expansions, Eclectic Economies, and Mobilities |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/moving-histories-bantu-language-expansions-eclectic-economies-and-mobilities/F9F92F9C6A16A9633E75508E836C9C46 |journal=The Journal of African History |language=en |volume=64 |issue=1 |page= |pages=13–37 |doi=10.1017/S0021853722000780 |issn=0021-8537 |ref=1}}

Note that I've used {{t|talkref}} above, not {{t|reflist}} as would be in a standard article, since this is a talk page and we need multiple reference sections to be separated, which wouldn't be the case with genuine articles. Look at the source code and the relevant template pages to see how it is all done. Post any more questions here if you need to (I'll comment about .pdf in a while). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

: I've had to make this section use a fictional 2017 book reference to get this to work, sorry! That's a "feature" of trying to do this on a talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

The software knows when a source is linked to a .pdf and will show a relevant icon in that case. I'll use an example from my old place of work, which also illustrates how to reference a .pdf that's now available at the Internet Archive, so we can be sure that it is OK to link it as there is no copyright issue (usually!). I'll just put the reference straight in the text. In real article it would normally be between tags.

• {{cite web |url=http://www2.syngenta.com/en/downloads/75jealott_brochure.pdf |title=Syngenta: Celebrating 75 years of scientific excellence at Jealott's Hill International Research Centre |publisher=Syngenta |year=2003 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20071011084649/http://www.syngenta.com/en/downloads/75jealott_brochure.pdf |archivedate=October 11, 2007 |access-date=2025-05-05}}

Again, you could use the {{t|rp}} template to specify a page range within the .pdf if needed. There is even a trick to get the .pdf to open at a specific page number by using #pagenumber at the end of the URL. So compare the above link (to the archived version) with this version:

• {{cite web |url=http://www2.syngenta.com/en/downloads/75jealott_brochure.pdf#2 |title=Syngenta: Celebrating 75 years of scientific excellence at Jealott's Hill International Research Centre |publisher=Syngenta |year=2003 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20071011084649/http://www.syngenta.com/en/downloads/75jealott_brochure.pdf#2 |archivedate=October 11, 2007 |access-date=2025-05-05}}

The first link opens at page 5, for reasons I don't understand, but we can force it to open at page 2 using the # trick (compare source code). Again, if you have questions about .pdf, just add them to this thread. I hope this helps! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)