User talk:Francis Schonken/Belarca

{{see also|Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Susman / Sommacal}}

Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:

• at {{url|www.textura.org}}: [http://www.textura.org/reviews/tazawa_rhythmsilence.htm discussion of the Tazawa CD]
• at {{url|http://www.acousticmusic.com/fame/}}: [http://www.acousticmusic.com/fame/p09728.htm discussion of the Scatter my Ashes CD] – [http://www.acousticmusic.com/fame/p05604.htm discussion of the Music for Moving Pictures CD]

So the article could be somewhat like this: its lead section about the label's founder and the Naxos distribution;

• First section about artists and ensembles: current AfD articles that may redirect to this section:
• {{la|William Susman}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
• {{la|Octet Ensemble}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Octet Ensemble as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
• {{la|Erika Tazawa}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erika Tazawa as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
• {{la|Matteo Sommacal}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matteo Sommacal as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
• {{la|Piccola Accademia degli Specchi}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piccola Accademia degli Specchi as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep

:Also the formerly deleted Francesco Di Fiore may redirect here

• Second section about the label's releases. Current AfDs that may redirect here:
• {{la|Fate of the Lhapa (soundtrack)}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fate of the Lhapa (soundtrack) as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
• {{la|Oil on Ice (soundtrack)}} – i.e. close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oil on Ice (soundtrack) as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep

:Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.

(sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

::*The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

:::*OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman#William Susman then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)