User talk:HJ Mitchell#Why I changed it a second time.

hello,

Recently (about 2-3 weeks ago) I received a topic ban for the Arab-Israeli conflict. Since then I have avoided editing the articles relating to the conflict (with the exception of the article I have asked you about, and stopped editing when you clarified it is beyond my reach). Now, there is an edit I would like to make that I believe is significant enough in order for WP:IGNORE to be valid.

When the move discussion of [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:October_7_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel?markasread=336783597&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-Dr_vulpes-20250525224200-Requested_move_11_March_2025October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel] was closed, the closer mentioned BBC, NPR, the New York Times and Reuters when referring to news agencies that do not use the terms "Hamas-led" or "on Israel" in the names of the attack. however, he is wrong. here are cases from the past month that demonstrate otherwise:

New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/11/world/europe/trump-netanyahu-iran-yemen.html 1][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/world/europe/karim-khan-icc-sexual-misconduct.html 2][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/briefing/charges-israel-embassy-shooting-harvard-students.html 3][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/17/arts/music/eurovision-song-contest-austria-jj.html 4][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/us/dc-shooting-jewish-museum-israel-embassy.html 5][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/world/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-shin-bet-zini.html 6][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/us/politics/shooting-israeli-embassy-washington-dc-vigil.html 7][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/world/middleeast/israel-embassy-dc-shooting-victims-sarah-milgrim-yaron-lischinsky.html 8][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/us/politics/harvard-university-trump.html 9][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/world/europe/shooting-dc-jewish-museum-antisemitism.html 10][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/world/middleeast/edan-alexander-israel-hamas-hostage-released.html 11][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/11/world/middleeast/hamas-hostage-edan-alexander.html 12][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/world/middleeast/edan-alexander-hamas-american-hostage-who-is.html 13][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/17/world/middleeast/israel-troops-gaza.html 14][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/world/europe/trump-gaza-starvation-famine-us-israel-aid.html 15][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/21/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-blockade-aid.html 16][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/world/middleeast/mohammad-sinwar-hamas-who-is.html 17][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/world/middleeast/israel-strikes-gaza.html 18][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/17/arts/music/yuval-raphael-israel-eurovision-2025.html 19][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/world/middleeast/israel-funeral-dc-shooting.html 20][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/04/world/middleeast/houthi-missile-tel-aviv-israel.html 21][https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/04/world/middleeast/a-popemobile-will-ride-again-this-time-into-gaza.html 22]

BBC: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg84q75n2po 1][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy90d929yyno 2][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg84q75n2po 3][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy90d929yyno 4][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy67y8834yo 5][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7804k13x52o 6][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0l5egy9k4o 7][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo 8][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2q7749dxlo 9][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxy19n4kpyo 10][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyrqg6j4y8o 11][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgn6nd3wlvo 12][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgjljw9j8yvo 13][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2vz02e7g8o 14][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmkwpdm9kro 15][https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz63jnx52l0o 16]

Reuters: [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-top-security-agency-admits-failures-october-7-hamas-attack-2025-03-04/ 1][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-agreed-during-cairo-visit-solution-end-delay-release-palestinian-2025-02-25/ 2][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-president-urges-hamas-hand-over-its-arms-2025-04-23/ 3][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-cabinet-approves-expansion-gaza-offensive-broadcaster-kan-reports-2025-05-05/ 4][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-intensifies-gaza-bombardment-trump-visits-region-2025-05-14/ 5][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-strikes-kill-scores-gaza-medics-say-2025-05-15/ 6][https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-executes-looters-gaza-food-crisis-worsens-under-israeli-blockade-2025-05-04/ 7][https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/uk-france-canada-threaten-israel-against-gaza-offensive-2025-05-19/ 8]

NPR: [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/12/g-s1-65868/hamas-release-israeli-american-hostage-edan-alexander 1][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/16/nx-s1-5401034/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians-killed 2][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/11/nx-s1-5395063/israeli-american-edan-alexander-hostage-gaza 3][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/16/g-s1-66896/eurovision-israel-yuval-raphael 4][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/04/g-s1-64233/houthi-missile-halts-israel-flights 5][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/21/nx-s1-5404970/ambassador-israel-mike-huckabee-interview 6][https://www.npr.org/2025/04/29/nx-s1-5327518/donald-trump-100-days-retribution-threats 7][https://www.npr.org/2025/05/22/nx-s1-5407572/israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-washington-dc 8]

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All of the above articles include "Hamas-led" in the name of the attack. I did not check for "on Israel" (though I remember that when I had them open, most added "on israel"). The list excludes any article that does not explicitly state "Hamas-led", so articles simply calling the attack "Hamas attack" are not included.

Also, the closer referred to headlines, despite consensus of them being unreliable

I waited some time and it seems like no one pointed it out, so I would like to add this material to his talk page and perhaps reach an understanding about the close. (with your confirmation that WP:IGNORE is valid here).

Thanks, NorthernWinds (talk) 11:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:@NorthernWinds No, this is not a valid use of IAR. The exceptions to topic bans are listed at WP:BANEX. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:40, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for clarifying,

::It is still bad that the page was moved based on wrong statements...

::Best, NorthernWinds (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You've blocked a sockpuppet who was making disruptive and redundant edits on various police, fire, and military pages (Special:Contributions/38.137.157.89). Looks like they are back with a different IP and right back to the same disruptive editing: Special:Contributions/38.137.156.203

Anything you could do to assist would be appreciated. Thank you. HankScorpio1519 (talk) 20:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:@HankScorpio1519 I've blocked Special:Contribs/38.137.144.0/20 for a month. Let me know if you have any more problems. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:41, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Can you remove the move protection settings from these pages as they are not necessary? Thanks. Cheers. Thepharoah17 (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:Done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

You are invited to participate in The World Destubathon. It's currently planned for June 16-July 13, partly due to me having hayfever during that period and not wanting to run it throughout July or August in the hotter summer and will be run then unless multiple editors object. There is currently $3338 going into it, with $500 the top prize. As 250 countries and entities is too much to patrol, entries will be by user, but there is $500 going into prizes for editors covering the most countries. Sign up if interested! ♦ Dr. Blofeld

:Will try and participate but no promises. My calendar is filling up for the summer and even at my most active I can't keep up with the most prolific editors! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)